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Old 09-24-2019, 06:23 AM
 
Location: Manchester NH
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If you believe this, i suggest you go back and read some history books.

The US didn't really choose to enter WWI as much as Germany forced our hand, making promises to Mexico and basically admitting they would never stop their conquest. Eventually, America was going to be their target.
I know everything about the Zimmerman telegram, the Lusitania, and everything else.

The idea that the Germans wanted to go after the US is beyond insane, us helping the British and French win destroyed the middle east and central asia, and lead to the majority of the problems we face today.

The reason we joined was to become an imperial power, it had nothing to do with protecting ourselves.
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Old 09-24-2019, 06:34 AM
 
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I know everything about the Zimmerman telegram, the Lusitania, and everything else.

The idea that the Germans wanted to go after the US is beyond insane, us helping the British and French win destroyed the middle east and central asia, and lead to the majority of the problems we face today.

The reason we joined was to become an imperial power, it had nothing to do with protecting ourselves.
You are correct that the idea of the Germans taking over the world, and the US in particular was insane - but that's because Adolph Hitler particularly toward the end of the war was completely insane.

There is absolutely no question that if Germany had completed their work on the A-bomb (and they were nearly there) they would have used it against us.
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Old 09-24-2019, 06:35 AM
 
Location: San Diego
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You are correct that the idea of the Germans taking over the world, and the US in particular was insane - but that's because their leader Hitler, particularly toward the end of the war was completely insane.

There is absolutely no question that if Germany had completed their work on the A-bomb (and they were nearly there) they would have used it against us.
Most likely against the Russians as they didn't have the range with V1 or V2 for the US. Next would have been England.
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Old 09-24-2019, 07:10 AM
 
Location: Manchester NH
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You are correct that the idea of the Germans taking over the world, and the US in particular was insane - but that's because Adolph Hitler particularly toward the end of the war was completely insane.

There is absolutely no question that if Germany had completed their work on the A-bomb (and they were nearly there) they would have used it against us.
That was world war 2 and Hitler never had any intention of world domination, the Germans doubted they could even manage controlling the western half of Russia logistically speaking (and that's assuming there was even a surrender).

But as far as world war 1 is concerned, the Kaiser had nothing to do with Nazi Germany, in fact he barely had any real power by the end of the war. The Germans were balancing the British global monopoly, and they should have won.

Instead the Levant was turned into a French/British colonial possession, India remained part of the empire (later leading to the partition), the Bolsheviks won (wouldn't have happened if central powers still controlled Ukraine and the Baltic states), and ww2 eventual developed afterwards.

None of this would have happened if America stayed out, but some here wanted imperial power (like Wilson) and got greedy. Either way Germany never wanted to touch America in world war 1, if anything the British did more to harm us.
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Old 09-24-2019, 07:22 AM
 
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Remember during the Bush years all the anti-war protests? Remember how they disappeared when Obama was elected?
Bush got us in. Bush kept us in. Obama got us out*. Why would they keep protesting?


*Although, to be fair, Bush signed the agreement to reduce US forces in Iraq and Obama carried it out.
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Old 09-24-2019, 07:55 AM
 
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All of these wars have had broad, bipartisan support, more or less. It is not like the GOP cheered for Japan after Pearl Harbor and both LBJ and Nixon wanted to wipe out the Vietcong.

The other side usually criticizes how the war is being waged when it is not going well, not why we are there in the first place.

Lost of passive-aggressive posturing on both sides, but that is politics.
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Old 09-24-2019, 08:31 AM
 
Location: Rural Wisconsin
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I think that it might have begun with the Goldwater-Johnson election of 1964. (Ironic because Goldwater was portrayed as a warmonger, but it was after Johnson took office that the Vietnam war escalated.)


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dDTBnsqxZ3k
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Old 09-24-2019, 08:42 AM
 
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Back then, the Republicans were northern urban elite liberals of their day.

If Lincoln is alive today, he'd be a Democrat.

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Weird how the old-school Republicans became the modern-day Democrats and vice versa!
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Old 09-24-2019, 09:20 AM
 
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Most likely against the Russians as they didn't have the range with V1 or V2 for the US. Next would have been England.

Right. They could have delivered it from a U-boat or other means - smuggled into a seaport on a surface ship for example. But agree that Britain would have been taken first in any case. They would have solidified their European conquests before moving to the USA.
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Old 09-24-2019, 10:45 AM
 
Location: Orange County, CA
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From all the neocons and Zionists taking over the party...
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