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Old 09-24-2019, 12:08 PM
 
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Vietnam started under FDR when he split that country in to two
the Japanese came in while pro-Nazi Vichy France was in charge in a matter of days
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Old 09-24-2019, 12:10 PM
 
Location: Manchester NH
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Ike sent US personnel, did Truman?
If those are the standards we're using the Kennedy and Johnson were responsible for the real build up.
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Old 09-24-2019, 12:12 PM
 
Location: Clyde Hill, WA
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Eisenhower's phrase was originally "Congressional Military Industrial Complex" advisors told him to strike the congressional....


modern views can probably start with the republican McCarthy era charge that the democrats "lost" china leaving that party to be "tougher" with the military...just another legacy from Ann Coulter sweetheart "tail gunner Joe"...if politicians did not have to react to fear mongers with the emotional maturity of a 12 years old ....
JFK was a staunch anti-communist and close ally of Joe McCarthy as a US Senator. Ike was the last and only president of this era to express much concern about the MIC.

In his farewell address where he talked about the MIC, he also warned about an education-industrial complex, which is little-remembered. Ike was a military guy, but also served as president of Columbia University before moving into politics.
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Old 09-24-2019, 12:15 PM
 
Location: Clyde Hill, WA
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Rails and canals were public infrastructure to allow small businesses to thrive.

Today 'small' businesses are usually industrial suppliers and most of the big companies want to fund their own internal modes of transportation.

Giving electric lines, water ways, sewage systems,etc. into the public sector meant more prosperous small shops and community businesses.
It also meant a lot of graft and cronyism, then as now.
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Old 09-24-2019, 12:16 PM
 
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Remember during the Bush years all the anti-war protests? Remember how they disappeared when Obama was elected?
Obama didn`t lie his way into war. See the difference?
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Old 09-24-2019, 12:18 PM
 
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After Ike saw and warned against the Military Industrial Complex....the powers of industry did not listen. Republicans in the 1960's first became the party of "NO CIVIL OR VOTING RIGHTS" and had to align with power and money. The MIC and Religious Right were the two keys to the city for them.

Americans are also, by and large, a violent people who can be whipped up into paranoia and unlimited spending on "Security". Republicans like unlimited money from fear.
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Old 09-24-2019, 12:21 PM
 
Location: Clyde Hill, WA
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Obama didn`t lie his way into war. See the difference?
No, we don't see the difference.

W. Bush did not 'lie his way into war.' We've been over, and over, and over this on CD. See the comments of Bob Woodward on this. He wrote a book about it called Bush at War. Read it and weep.
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Old 09-24-2019, 12:21 PM
 
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JFK was a staunch anti-communist and close ally of Joe McCarthy as a US Senator. Ike was the last and only president of this era to express much concern about the MIC.

In his farewell address where he talked about the MIC, he also warned about an education-industrial complex, which is little-remembered. Ike was a military guy, but also served as president of Columbia University before moving into politics.
IKE was wanted by both parties and may even have been apolitical..and it was bobby who was tied to McCarthy..and how much much anti-communist a cold war politician really was and how much was posturing has been argued for ever..lol because it is jobs for ever congressional district of course any politician would get labeled a "screwball" if they mentioned it....pretty sure there is a map in the pentagon with all the congressional districts labeled for jobs in them
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Old 09-24-2019, 12:21 PM
 
Location: The Republic of Texas
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This thought popped into mind last night. WW1, WW2, Korea, Vietnam, & Bosnia/Kosovo were all begun with a Democratic Party US President. Desert Storm and the war in Afghanistan & Iraq by Republican presidents.
You are getting 2 political parties confused with Constitutional ideology and Marxist ideology.
The one world order(Establishment) was created when Woodrow Wilson(Progressive Racist Democrat) declared the USA as the worlds police.
Those that still believe in a one world government, are on a mission to destroy the US. Constitution. The only thing standing in their way. So they cannot use the full might of the USA military to make it happen. It is just slap and occupy, since WW-II
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Old 09-24-2019, 12:21 PM
 
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If those are the standards we're using the Kennedy and Johnson were responsible for the real build up.
Kennedy sent thousands of advisers mostly for political reasons but was too smart to send ground troops. In those days appearing to be soft on communism didn`t play well with the voters. The ground troops made their first appearance in 1964.
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