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Old 10-17-2019, 11:33 AM
 
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You complain about the Washington Examiner while the only information leaked from these 'secret' testimonies comes from D's yapping to their fave media allies. I'd compare this to a criminal investigation when the prosecutor's office leaks testimony from its own witnesses. but this is worse.
Absolutely.

From CNN
"Sondland said he wasn't aware until "much later" that Giuliani's agenda might have included an effort to "prompt the Ukrainians" to investigate former Vice President Joe Biden and his son Hunter and to involve the Ukrainians in the President's campaign, according to his opening statement, which was obtained by CNN in advance of the deposition."

" in advance"

You have to love those Democrats, taking us on a path to a Banana Republic.
What a disgrace.
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Old 10-17-2019, 11:35 AM
 
Location: East Lansing, MI
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Absolutely.

From CNN
"Sondland said he wasn't aware until "much later" that Giuliani's agenda might have included an effort to "prompt the Ukrainians" to investigate former Vice President Joe Biden and his son Hunter and to involve the Ukrainians in the President's campaign, according to his opening statement, which was obtained by CNN in advance of the deposition."

" in advance"

You have to love those Democrats, taking us on a path to a Banana Republic.
What a disgrace.
So, you're saying he didn't have a copy of his opening statement before his deposition started?

I don't understand your gripe here, honestly. That someone who had a copy of his opening statement leaked it to the press? It's out there to be seen by all as of 4 hours ago:

https://www.google.com/search?q=sond...hrome&ie=UTF-8
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Old 10-17-2019, 11:38 AM
 
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This pretty much drys up the hope that so many many Trump haters have had. Trump isnt leaving. Now all they can do is cry themselves to sleep every night...boohoo the friggin boo! lol
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Old 10-17-2019, 11:39 AM
 
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So, you're saying he didn't have a copy of his opening statement before his deposition started?

I don't understand your gripe here, honestly. That someone who had a copy of his opening statement leaked it to the press? It's out there to be seen by all as of 4 hours ago:

https://www.google.com/search?q=sond...hrome&ie=UTF-8
Why should anyone receive it in advance ? How do we know who and how those advanced copies were sent to first ?

Why is this being " tried" in the media ?

Why not just complete the " inquiry" and release the results ?

This is not how a government for and by the people operates.

This is how a Government for and by their own quest for power operates.
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Old 10-17-2019, 12:08 PM
 
Location: East Lansing, MI
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Why should anyone receive it in advance ? How do we know who and how those advanced copies were sent to first ?
I have no idea. Do you have anything indicating that this was done contrary to Amb Sondland's wishes? If it wasn't, why should we care?


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Why is this being " tried" in the media ?
Reporting on his opening statement is news. It's not "trying it in the media".


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Why not just complete the " inquiry" and release the results ?
With the amount of people already crying about how this is being done "in secret", I can't see how that's a good idea.


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This is not how a government for and by the people operates.

According to the Constitution and the rules of the House of Reps, it is.



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This is how a Government for and by their own quest for power operates.
And this is new/different than the past 100 years or better how?
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Old 10-17-2019, 12:10 PM
 
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Trump is not required to release his tax returns by virtue of his candidacy or Presidency. However, the IRS and Mazars are required to turn them over to the Ways and Means Committee (per Federal Statute) and the Manhattan DA's office (per NY State law). At least, that is my position on the matter.

Do you have a Federal Statute or State Law that would somehow require a formal vote for the impeachment inquiry?

My post was an 'in other words' of what the mod said. By all means, split hairs when the obvious isn't stated. I think it's pretty obvious that the mod was referring to the tradition re candidacy, and not the Congressional request, and that's what I meant as well. I'm not a Trump supporter/voter, nor a Republican, but I do think that if there are any posters in this thread who have pointed out that a vote to to authorize the impeachment inquiry isn't required (despite it being a tradition), and any of those posters requested that Trump release his tax returns re tradition, that any such posters are hypocrites. There's been a lot of back and forth in threads over the last three plus years over the tradition of candidates releasing their returns.....your point on the law, I don't see pointed out too often...which doesn't reflect negatively on your point, it just likely is. My point was an if, wondering what research would reveal. To normal members at least, whatever would be there in that research would be there...it couldn't be changed. The research would show 'the why'. There are either past posts requesting that Trump follow tradition and release his returns by some of the same posters pointing out that no vote is required re the inquiry (despite tradition), or there aren't.
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Old 10-17-2019, 12:24 PM
 
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I have no idea. Do you have anything indicating that this was done contrary to Amb Sondland's wishes? If it wasn't, why should we care?




Reporting on his opening statement is news. It's not "trying it in the media".




With the amount of people already crying about how this is being done "in secret", I can't see how that's a good idea.





According to the Constitution and the rules of the House of Reps, it is.





And this is new/different than the past 100 years or better how?


That's the problem, we don't know. Either we should know everything , and that means the other side , or nothing , until the entire truth be told.
It isn't " news" because it isn't applicable to what should be done. It is strictly being used for political purposes. It is part and parcel of a message of propaganda.

It would be better to conduct it as a Grand Jury does. No leaks, sworn to secrecy. When all is heard, release the results. Then the media can have at it, and everyone is on equal ground. Now, you have " journalists" looking to one up each other for ratings and financial gain.

The Constitution gives " The House of Representatives " the task of presenting Articles of Impeachment. That implies " The House " as a collective institutional part of a branch of Government. If in this case, the Speaker is permitted to conduct an Inquiry for Impeachment, a power not conveyed to her. Where else, and in what manner would she also be able to act ? How about gun control ? Spending ? Why is it permitted for this and only this ? We know why.

This is different, for the reasons stated above.
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Old 10-17-2019, 12:27 PM
 
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Oh and lo and behold, here is today's press conference with Mulvaney admitting that strategic funds to Ukraine were withheld, at least in part, to pressure Ukraine to start investigating Democrats in 2016.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/video...ion/vi-AAIW4Ah

So much for "no quid pro quo." I wonder what it is going to take for Trump supporters to take umbrage at his constant transparent lying to his base? I mean, how low must one's self-worth be that you just embrace being blatantly lied to like a fool?
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Old 10-17-2019, 12:29 PM
 
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Oh and lo and behold, here is today's press conference with Mulvaney admitting that aid to Ukraine was withheld, at least in part, to pressure Ukraine to start investigating things in 2016.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/video...ion/vi-AAIW4Ah

So much for "no quid pro quo." I wonder what it is going to take for Trump supporters to take umbrage at his constant transparent lying to his base? I mean, how low must one's self-worth be that you just embrace being blatantly lied to like a fool?
Do you think you score points by outright lying? If anything the dishonesty shows how ridiculous this whole thing is.
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Old 10-17-2019, 12:32 PM
 
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Do you think you score points by outright lying? If anything the dishonesty shows how ridiculous this whole thing is.
Its on video. You can watch it.
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