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Old 10-20-2019, 11:51 AM
 
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It is. It should be more of a sliding scale. Low income should have to pay *something* and should not get better benefits than those paying all the money. It even works this way with SSDI/SSI disability. The SSI (poor) don't have waiting periods and all the other crap those who have earned their social security benefits have to put up with.

Those running this know the middle class won't go out and start burning things down, we just moan and complain and keep bending over and paying.

Obamacare at least can help those disabled SSDI people who cannot work and are being forced to wait TWO years for their medical insurance. Those are the ones who deserve it most and I don't mind paying extra to help them.
People on SSI became disabled before they had a chance to pay into the system. Most would've preferred to not have had disabilities in the first place. You cannot schedule a major health problem. My health problems started not long after I was born. I was a blue baby and almost didn't live at all. I often wish I hadn't. Then the doctors didn't think I'd ever walk. I was three I think before I started pulling myself up and walking. I was born with a crooked knee and had trouble standing. My parents were ashamed of me and after I started walking pretended I was normal and so I didn't get medical care much growing up. I was cussed out and told how worthless I am when I'd get sick or had trouble doing something. I have been treated like garbage my whole life.

Those on SSDI have to wait for Medicare and usually make a little too much for Medicaid. I don't think it is right. When someone has health problems severe enough to be put on disability then they need health coverage. Someone I know gets SSDI but they had it where she receives $1 of the disability money in SSI so that she'd get Medicaid. If you don't get much in SSDI then they'll do that, but if the recipient worked better jobs before being disabled then they'll be getting more in SSDI than someone who just had minimum wage jobs their working life. I think anyone on disability should get health coverage.

 
Old 10-20-2019, 11:53 AM
 
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And Trump isn't a globalist? Just look at his business record, he reeks of globalism.
Wait, you claim he's a nationalist. How can he be a nationalist and a globalist at the same time? How can he push tariffs and be globalist?

You sound a little confloozled.
 
Old 10-20-2019, 04:07 PM
 
Location: Buckeye, AZ
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Wait, you claim he's a nationalist. How can he be a nationalist and a globalist at the same time? How can he push tariffs and be globalist?

You sound a little confloozled.
Has he benefited from foreign labor for clothing? Has he used illegal immigrants to be cheap on his buildings? Has he looked for H1-B visas to work at various hotels rather than attracting US talent? The answers are yes, yes and yes. I can't spell out how he is a globalist more than this. His nationalist policies are either hypocritical or a total sham.
 
Old 10-20-2019, 04:13 PM
 
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Has he benefited from foreign labor for clothing? Has he used illegal immigrants to be cheap on his buildings? Has he looked for H1-B visas to work at various hotels rather than attracting US talent? The answers are yes, yes and yes. I can't spell out how he is a globalist more than this. His nationalist policies are either hypocritical or a total sham.
Nationalist isn't synonymous with tradeless.

Prove he knowingly hired illegals. And he has no reason to hire H-1b. (You also may be confusing that program with H-2b.)

He's capped H-1b and is trying to dismantle it.
 
Old 10-20-2019, 04:31 PM
 
Location: Pueblo area
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What are these Cloward-Piven rants? About 1975 read their book The Function of Public Welfare. From what I recall King Louis was annoyed that beggars were clogging the streets, so he outlawed begging and instituted taxes to get them off the street. Still waiting for evil socialism to take hold in America.
 
Old 10-20-2019, 04:54 PM
 
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What are these Cloward-Piven rants? About 1975 read their book The Function of Public Welfare. From what I recall King Louis was annoyed that beggars were clogging the streets, so he outlawed begging and instituted taxes to get them off the street. Still waiting for evil socialism to take hold in America.
"The Cloward–Piven strategy is a political strategy outlined in 1966 by American sociologists and political activists Richard Cloward and Frances Fox Piven that called for overloading the U.S. public welfare system in order to precipitate a crisis that would lead to a replacement of the welfare system with a socialist system of "a guaranteed annual income and thus an end to poverty".[1][2]"

https://www.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clowa...Piven_strategy

You can't say socialists don't keep trying to take hold in America.
 
Old 10-20-2019, 05:00 PM
 
Location: Pueblo area
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"The Cloward–Piven strategy is a political strategy outlined in 1966 by American sociologists and political activists Richard Cloward and Frances Fox Piven that called for overloading the U.S. public welfare system in order to precipitate a crisis that would lead to a replacement of the welfare system with a socialist system of "a guaranteed annual income and thus an end to poverty".[1][2]"

https://www.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clowa...Piven_strategy

You can't say socialists don't keep trying to take hold in America.

Nice web page. Even quotes Glenn Beck. So it must be true.
 
Old 10-20-2019, 05:03 PM
 
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Nice web page. Even quotes Glenn Beck. So it must be true.
It's too bad you don't know how to cross reference or use footnotes.

https://www.commondreams.org/news/20...gy-end-poverty

"The Weight of the Poor: A Strategy to End Poverty

"A mass strategy to recruit the poor onto welfare rolls would create a political crisis that could result in legislation that brings an end to poverty.

"By Frances Fox Piven and Richard Cloward"

https://www.thenation.com/article/we...y-end-poverty/
 
Old 10-20-2019, 06:50 PM
 
Location: Buckeye, AZ
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Nationalist isn't synonymous with tradeless.

Prove he knowingly hired illegals. And he has no reason to hire H-1b. (You also may be confusing that program with H-2b.)

He's capped H-1b and is trying to dismantle it.
He claims to be America first, he should start with his businesses don't you think? He can't though. I didn't say he knowingly hired illegals, just he did to cut expenses for paying the highly paid NYC construction workers. From the Washington Post article:

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But nothing changed on the Trump construction crew, according to current and former employees.

A spokeswoman for the Trump Organization said Mobile Payroll Construction is enrolled in E-Verify for any new hires. The company is still not listed in the public E-Verify database, which was last updated July 1.

The company did not directly respond to requests for comment about the legal status of the Mobile Construction workers, but it said in a statement that “since this issue was first brought to our attention, we have taken diligent steps, including the use of E-Verify at all of our properties and companies.”

“Those efforts continue and where an employee is found to have provided fake or fraudulent documentation to unlawfully gain employment, that individual will be terminated. Fortunately, among the thousands of individuals employed by our organization, we have encountered very few instances where this has occurred,” the statement said.
 
Old 10-23-2019, 02:23 PM
 
Location: Pueblo area
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My Colorado ACA down 26% for 2020. $766.75 - 662.28 subsidy = $104.47 monthly premium. Anthem Silver Pathway X HMO 5150

Deductible 800, max out of pocket 1,700.

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