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Old 10-16-2019, 04:51 PM
 
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Since Obamacare is so awful Rachel, just choose the more affordable, far superior Republican alternative universal healthcare plan the GOP Congress promised to give us. Oh wait, there isn't one.
We don’t want another government plan. We want the competitive private, market back, like it was before the government made it “affordable”.

 
Old 10-16-2019, 04:52 PM
 
Location: Live:Downtown Phoenix, AZ/Work:Greater Los Angeles, CA
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We don’t want another government plan. We want the competitive private market back, like it was before the government made it “affordable”.
Cost was going up yearly prior to the ACA, my Blue Cross plan back in the aughts (while W was president) went up 15% every year
 
Old 10-16-2019, 04:54 PM
 
Location: Sonoran Desert
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Republicans sabotaged Obamacare and the CBO projected increases exactly like you are seeing. Blame them. They could have fixed it but chose to make it even more expensive than it was. If the Dems win it all next year, there is hope for a real solution.
 
Old 10-16-2019, 04:54 PM
 
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Cost was going up yearly prior to the ACA, my Blue Cross plan back in the aughts (while W was president) went up 15% every year
The government stuck their hands in healthcare long before the ACA. The ACA just sped up the increases.
 
Old 10-16-2019, 04:54 PM
 
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According to Obama, that’s $2,500 less that what you were previously paying.

“Affordable” LOL. Did anyone actually believe that the government would make something cheaper? I guess they didn’t learn anything from the college tuition disaster.
Yeah, it was obvious it was a lie: He was claiming that MORE people would be insured, the insurance itself would be BETTER, and it would cost us all LESS. It could be two out of three, not all three.

As it turned out, it was BETTER for some people (the lower income) and more people were insured (the lower income) and it cost LESS (for the lower income). If you are not lower-income, then your insurance is worse and it costs more. No such thing as a free lunch. I wish people would learn that.
 
Old 10-16-2019, 05:00 PM
 
Location: DFW
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Cost was going up yearly prior to the ACA, my Blue Cross plan back in the aughts (while W was president) went up 15% every year
I've been self employed for 25 years. Prior to OC my BCBS went up 3-6% a year.

After OC it went up 30-40% a year. A policy that used to run $350-450 pre-OC easily runs $1000-1500 or more a month in 2018.

Deductibles went from $500-1000 to $4000-12,000 and higher.
 
Old 10-16-2019, 05:00 PM
 
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We have employee based insurance with a high deductible. It’s like not having insurance. We have to pay out of pocket for everything since we don’t meet our deductible
 
Old 10-16-2019, 05:00 PM
 
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Since Obamacare is so awful Rachel, just choose the more affordable, far superior Republican alternative universal healthcare plan the GOP Congress promised to give us. Oh wait, there isn't one.
That's because you can't "undo" Santa Claus. The lower-income on generous subsidies will not want to give any of that back - and that's the problem in a nutshell. Obama, in his fervor to "give" insurance to lower-income, went overboard - giving way too much to them and skyrocketing the costs on the middle-income.

The only way to correct it is to rearrange the subsidy distribution so that EVERYONE, no matter how low-income, pays at least $100 a month for insurance, and a $10 co-pay at the doctor. As it stands now, middle-income pay $1000 a month and then another $500 to see a doctor. We need to square that better, but libs would be screaming murder if we "took away" even a tiny bit of the freebies from the low-income.

P.S. Thanks for your "sympathy" though.(Sarcasm.) Amazing how libs have all this sympathy for non-productive people and illegal aliens, and then taunt the middle earners. IT IS WHY YOU WILL LOSE.
 
Old 10-16-2019, 05:01 PM
 
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Still waiting on the all upside plan Trump promised on his campaign.

Our healthcare system is a mess. If we didn't get ObamaCare we were going to get RomneyCare instead that was waiting in the wings.
 
Old 10-16-2019, 05:01 PM
 
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I haven't seen my personal premiums for 2020. The insurer states they are expecting a 16% decrease. Also, a new insurer is entering the market for my county.

Unless they finally have the guts to go after the original sin (employer based health insurance) of the US health insurance system, don't expect any change. The other ways to decrease cost include increasing importance of adherence, decrease use of specialists, decrease use of hospitals, strict use of outcomes based therapy and pharmacoeconomics, small drug fomularies and so on.
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