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Old 10-26-2019, 09:10 AM
 
Location: the very edge of the continent
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?They? don?t control the weather.

Weather patterns of relatively low humidity, strong winds, dry fuels and dry lightening pose serious fire risk.

As I understand it, the PREVENTATIVE rolling blackout plan occurs when wind forecasts could throw branches and debris into power lines or topple trees, sparking wildfires.

The goal is to mitigate opportunities for wildfires.

Got a better idea?
Better utilities that aren't strangled by left-wing government-control. PG&E is a Calfornia state-designated and controlled monopoly, and as such has been forced to spend money on fanciful left-wing notions other than that which improves their delivery of service.
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Old 10-26-2019, 09:15 AM
 
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Part B premiums range $136- 461, dependent on income, per person ,per month for a 80/20 Plan. Those enrolled in traditional Medicare who can afford to do so, buy private Medigap insurance to help pay for what Medicare does not.

Obviously those premiums are inadequate, given general revenues are used to subsidize the majority of the costs of reimbursing medical bills- Part B.
Now add in what those of each income group have paid for 40+ years in Medicare taxes. That adds to their cost for Medicare, as well. Medicare is a pay now to get partially subsidized (if at all) later program. SS is just a net loss for most, according to both the Urban Institute and the SS Admin.
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Old 10-26-2019, 09:17 AM
 
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As I understand it, the rolling blackouts are anything but arbitrary. It?s based on localized conditions, especially wind and are preventative measures to mitigate wildfires.

Governments and political ideologies don?t control the weather.
They DO control how the state-controlled utility can spend their money. WAY too much of it goes to wasteful pipe-dream left-wing policies that yield no useful results instead of actually improving their delivery of service.
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Old 10-26-2019, 09:23 AM
 
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You think it's funny that millions of Californians have to endure electricity cutoffs? There has already been at least one death recorded due to the lack of power to required medical devices.

Left-wing California is quickly becoming Venezuela with its arbitrary electricity shut downs. Like I said, lack of basic services.
As expected, you assume that I'm laughing at the suffering of others.

Far from it. I was laughing at your opinion of what caused it.
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Old 10-26-2019, 09:54 AM
 
Location: Barrington
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E-verify, as it currently exists, fails to correctly identify more than half of those unauthorized to work in the US because they use/are using stolen/forged IDs, a recent example of which is Mollie Tibbetts' illegal alien murderer, who used stolen/forged ID and SS# to get his job. The Fed Gov investigation reported that he wasn't who he presented himself to be with the stolen/forged documents he showed his employer. He was employed under a name other than his own.

From the USCIS:
https://www.uscis.gov/sites/default/...12-16-09_2.pdf

"Identity fraud cannot be detected by E-Verify" Let that sink in, and don't for a second think that illegal aliens aren't aware of that fact...

A unique biometric identifier such as fingerprints, retinal scan, etc., would be required from every US citizen, LPR, and authorized temporary non-citizen worker to make e-verify work as well as it was intended to. E-verify has no such database, and I doubt you'd get every US citizen, LPR, and authorized temporary non-citizen worker to agree to submit such biometric identifiers to the Fed Gov. It's too intrusive and a violation of our 4th Amendment Rights.
Social Security estimated 1.8 million illegals people were working with fake or stolen IDs. As such, they paid Federal, Payroll and where applicable, State taxes. Social Security is increasingly reliant on this stream of revenue to fund Social Security benefits. In 2010it was $13 billion.

Employers are responsible for determining the legitimacy of documentation. Many don?t care and when caught say they did not know. The IDs used to gain employment at Trump Org properties were obvious fakes. Whomever was responsible for hiring overlooked it and then double downed and lied to the FBI as it related to disclosure of all employees for vetting purposes. Obviously, it was assumed FBI would not cross reference.

The majority of undocumented people are NOT W2 employees. Agriculture, hospitality, construction, food production and household services are the primary employers of undocumented workers. Their employers don?t require documentation, let alone use EVerify.

Reportedly, 50% of undocumented people are Mexican. 5% are from a Central American country. 35% are from elsewhere. Reportedly 8 million of them are employed.

77 million foreigners entered the US on tourist visas in 2017. Visas are good for 6 months and enable the holder to travel anywhere in the US. In my neck of the woods, there is a substantial presence of Eastern Europeans in skilled trades who arrive on tourist visas and are seasonally employed by sub contractors. They return home before their visa expires, rinse and repeat.

It?s all about employers who prefer undocumented people who work for less, don?t complain and don?t require paying Payroll taxes
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Old 10-26-2019, 10:17 AM
 
Location: Barrington
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They DO control how the state-controlled utility can spend their money. WAY too much of it goes to wasteful pipe-dream left-wing policies that yield no useful results instead of actually improving their delivery of service.
States/ utilities/ political ideologies don?t control the weather.

As inconvenient as a blackout is, most folk would rather endure a blackout than a wild fire.

Wild fire certainly kills more people / destroys more property than a blackout

There were 8,527 wildfires in California in 201, a record. The state put significant blame on PG&E for not better using forecasts and blackouts to mitigate risks. The Federal Government is responsible for the land and fire management on more than 40% of the land in California, most of it in the most vulnerable areas. Dead tree fuel is a huge problem. Then there?s the state mess.

Partisans, all sides, tend to cherry- pick causes and ignore the big picture.

Again, no one controls weather.
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Old 10-26-2019, 11:07 AM
 
Location: USA
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Why anyone wants to defend this corrupt system is beyond me.
Because, for a lot of people, it’s better than paying more taxes.

Paying more in taxes is painful. Paying more for healthcare is not painful, because it is a hidden cost.
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Old 10-26-2019, 11:16 AM
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Location: Pine Grove,AL
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M4A will cost the federal government over 4.1 trillion in NEW spending the very first year...and rising every year


M4A premiums will be paid for from the federal government by the taxpayer


of the 150 million tax filers, only about 80 million actually have a positive tax liability... in other word, 70 million of those filers have a zero tax liability (get back all they contributed), or a negative tax liability (get back MORE than they contributed)


4 trillion NEW spending divided by 80 million actual tax payers is (if equal) 50k each tax payer


so how is a person who makes 50k a year, going to see a "cut" if their NEW tax bill is now 50k more than their previous tax bill


then you have all the medicare copays, and denial of care...and the 20% that YOU have to pay since medicare is a 80/20 insurance






no M4A will not be a tax cut for anyone...it will be the death of the middleclass
I dont know if you are joking or not, but obviously a change to a medicare for all system, would mean more people paying taxes and a change in the system overall. so your 80 million number is wrong.

This isnt that hard to understand.
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Old 10-26-2019, 11:19 AM
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Location: Pine Grove,AL
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Because, for a lot of people, it’s better than paying more taxes.

Paying more in taxes is painful. Paying more for healthcare is not painful, because it is a hidden cost.
How is it a hidden cost ? if you are paying premiums from payroll deductions, then the only difference between the current system and medicare for all is who gets the money.

Also, if you are willing to spend more money because it is hidden , you shouldnt be apart of this debate.
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Old 10-26-2019, 11:21 AM
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Location: Pine Grove,AL
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You think it's funny that millions of Californians have to endure electricity cutoffs? There has already been at least one death recorded due to the lack of power to required medical devices.

Left-wing California is quickly becoming Venezuela with its arbitrary electricity shut downs. Like I said, lack of basic services.
Are you saying they are cutting off power for something other than wildfire prevention ?
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