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Old 11-07-2019, 06:34 AM
 
Location: Native of Any Beach/FL
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They only want laws that will allow them to hide their misdeeds. If they have nothing to worry about - why care about the identity of a whistleblower?? I can’t wait until the sheets get pulled back and expose all.
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Old 11-07-2019, 06:41 AM
 
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They only want laws that will allow them to hide their misdeeds. If they have nothing to worry about - why care about the identity of a whistleblower?? I can’t wait until the sheets get pulled back and expose all.
Because in this instance, the "whistleblower" who isn't an actual whistleblower is pushing propaganda and spin for self serving reasons to the detriment of the country as a whole. Exposing his identity will expose his conflict of interest shattering any credibility he might have with anyone impartial enough to be open to viewing things fairly.

It's the reason why we have the right to face our accusers in this country.
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Old 11-07-2019, 06:57 AM
 
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It should still apply to impeachment proceedings, which is the same as a public trial.
Most likely it will depend upon what exactly is in the Articles of Impeachment. The only " punishment" of Impeachment , and a guilty verdict by trial , is removal from Office and prevention of serving again.

However if any of the Articles imply criminal conduct, that may mean an Indictment after POTUS leaves the Office. If that is the case, at that time the accuser must step forward.

The Courts may get involved regarding facing the accuser in the Impeachment procedures if the Articles include alleged criminal conduct, as that would be the foundation for the criminal complaint later.
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Old 11-07-2019, 09:32 AM
 
Location: Chicago area
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Remember, this "whistle blower, heard it from a friend, who heard it from a friend... Heard it from another you been messing around......
We want to know who leaked. The "Whistle Blower" can keep his job.
Great point and a Trump TV talking point without giving the entire picture. If you hear something that you think is sketchy from a reliable source and you follow all of the protocols and the I.G. does some investigating and finds it a "credible and urgent concern," and something that Congress needs to see but is buried, what do you do? What if Trump did indeed shake down a foreign alley to further his political career? Do you just look the other way?

Lets say you have a friend who is a mobster, and that mobster comes to you and say Jimmy the loon murdered someone. You go to the police and say, heads up, I heard it from a friend that Jimmy the loon is responsible for the murder. Do the police follow the lead or ignore it because it's hear say? They follow the lead. That's what Trump's appointed I.G. did and found the information credible enough to give Congress a heads up. Now it's been corroborated by Sondland who had an epiphany after hearing all of the other people in Trump's administration tell the truth. So why is the whistle blower significant? Everything he said is turning out to be true.

Do you think that every informant the police and FBI use have first hand knowledge of crimes, or do you think they have their ears to the street and just listen? Not every lead is credible, not every lead is accurate. That's why the Intelligence Community I.G. Michael Atkinson who was appointed by Trump in 2018 followed up on the lead. He didn't just take the whistle blower's word for it.

You can focus on one weak talking point and be good sheeple, or you can research and dig deeper. I want to hear the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth.
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Old 11-07-2019, 09:45 AM
 
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Trump blew his own whistle. He's the one who initially admitted asking Ukraine for dirt on Biden. Then he turned around and asked China. He needs no enemies as he can't get manage to out of his own way.
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Old 11-07-2019, 09:48 AM
 
Location: Long Island
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Because in this instance, the "whistleblower" who isn't an actual whistleblower is pushing propaganda and spin for self serving reasons to the detriment of the country as a whole. Exposing his identity will expose his conflict of interest shattering any credibility he might have with anyone impartial enough to be open to viewing things fairly.

It's the reason why we have the right to face our accusers in this country.
There is no benefit to the whistle blower, why would anyone put their life in danger to report a claim. Exposing his identity will have a chilling effect on any future claims to report corruption. Why aren’t you discussing the extensive testimony that corroborates the claim. This is like worrying about who called in a fire on a burning house.
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Old 11-07-2019, 10:10 AM
 
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There is no benefit to the whistle blower, why would anyone put their life in danger to report a claim. Exposing his identity will have a chilling effect on any future claims to report corruption. Why aren’t you discussing the extensive testimony that corroborates the claim. This is like worrying about who called in a fire on a burning house.
Look at what they did to Edward Snowden, the people chose to demonize the messenger, instead of the govt itself!!!
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Old 11-07-2019, 10:12 AM
 
Location: deafened by howls of 'racism!!!'
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https://twitter.com/bennyjohnson/sta...24325086015488

however -

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Adam Schiff must have caught the error and has now pulled the transcript from the House website


it's still up here, though.
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/tru...imony-n1077676
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Old 11-07-2019, 10:17 AM
 
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There is no benefit to the whistle blower, why would anyone put their life in danger to report a claim. Exposing his identity will have a chilling effect on any future claims to report corruption. Why aren’t you discussing the extensive testimony that corroborates the claim. This is like worrying about who called in a fire on a burning house.
His life isn't in danger, he's not speaking out against a Clinton.

Also, his identity was never really a secret inside the beltway. On top of that, I want people to know they have to substantiate allegations and that their claims will be scrutinized if they make them. We've had WAY too many false allegations recently...... cough cough Kavanaugh cough cough.... pushed for political purposes and it needs to stop.

There is nothing that has come out that factually corroborates the claim, just others that share similar opinions. The facts simply don't support the claims.
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