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while it does NOT specify that they HAD TO BE BROUGHT IN, it does mention it, and it says they "lacked the intent to violate the law".
so, DACA'S were between 15 and 30 as of June 15, 2012
they were under 16 when they were brought here
they had lived here continuously since June 15, 2007 (so, had to arrive before that date)
So, the youngest DACA's would be 22 now.
The oldest would be 37 now.
and they couldn't have crossed the border by themself. (how we'd prove this is another matter, but it also said it wasn't a guarantee they'd be approved).
Ok. Thanks. I missed the "at least 15 by 2012". So, at this time they are all prime working age, although many are still in college.
What do you mean there would be no more DACAs crossing our border? There was an amnesty for 3 million illegals back in 1986 and now we have at least quadruple the number of illegals here today. Amnesties always encourage others to come here and get in on the next one. There would be another DACA in the future. You can bet on it!
There is no will to round up millions of illegal aliens so they'd still be here after a DACA bill goes through. If there was a will to remove the visa over stayers it would have happened already to but it hasn't. There are still a lot of illegals that haven't been "convicted" of a crime yet so that would still leave millions undetected and not deported. We'd have to make sanctuary cities illegal to and enforce our laws against them.
I say no DACA bill, deport illegal aliens as they make themselves known, track the visa over stayers and build good physical barriers on our border. Remove all of the incentives for them to remain here such as jobs, birthright citizenship and benefits. Now we just need to get congress (mainly the Democrats) to get on board with all of this. I'm not too optimistic though. The only hope we have is Trump and he is fighting an uphill battle.
Guess what gets won ... the entrepreneurs that have created businesses that employ u.s. citizens, those folks will be out of a job. $4 billion paid taxes, that's gone. Their collective $20 billion in buying power, that's gone ... sleep well grasshopper, you've done the u.s. good service. It couldn't have happened to a better country. Vote Trump 2020 and keep it rolling ...
Guess what gets won ... the entrepreneurs that have created businesses that employ u.s. citizens, those folks will be out of a job. $4 billion paid taxes, that's gone. Their collective $20 billion in buying power, that's gone ... sleep well grasshopper, you've done the u.s. good service. It couldn't have happened to a better country. Vote Trump 2020 and keep it rolling ...
It's not "gone". Someone else will fill the void in businesses and jobs. Only they won't be sending their money out of the country in remittances.
And again, it's amazing at what a profound effect liberals think this group of less than a million people will have on our gigantic economy while at the same time saying they would have little or no effect on their birthland economy if they went back.
Guess what gets won ... the entrepreneurs that have created businesses that employ u.s. citizens, those folks will be out of a job. $4 billion paid taxes, that's gone. Their collective $20 billion in buying power, that's gone ... sleep well grasshopper, you've done the u.s. good service. It couldn't have happened to a better country. Vote Trump 2020 and keep it rolling ...
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It's not "gone". Someone else will fill the void in businesses and jobs. Only they won't be sending their money out of the country in remittances.
You'd think right? Today there are more jobs, than there are people willing to fill them. Labor Force Participation Rate
"The U.S. labor participation rate stood at 63.3% as of Oct. 2019, according to the federal Bureau of Labor Statistics, which publishes updates monthly"
Even if you take into account the people lose their job from a DACA entrepreneur businesses, they take on a different job at another company ---- there is still a void. You can not bring back $4 billion in taxes and $20 billion in buying power, on a birth rate of 1.76. When DACAs are gone ... so is the rest of it, plus any potential future growth they might have contributed to.
You know what happens when a person throws a monkey wrench into a rolling wheel ... yep, dead in its tracks. You guys are thinking you are fixing something that has actually been beneficial to the economic growth of this country. And I'm sadistic; I think it's as funny as heck.
Who would haven benefited if Tesla had been sent back? Certainly not the u.s. Now that we have laws preventing a future Tesla ... time is on its side.
It's about time undeveloped countries got real talent, u.s. packaged delivery, to help bring those countries up to speed ... and breed new competition for the u.s. (hide and watch, what happens next, it's going to be fun)
Even if you take into account the people lose their job from a DACA entrepreneur businesses, they take on a different job at another company ---- there is still a void. You can not bring back $4 billion in taxes and $20 billion in buying power, on a birth rate of 1.76. When DACAs are gone ... so is the rest of it, plus any potential future growth they might have contributed to.
You know what happens when a person throws a monkey wrench into a rolling wheel ... yep, dead in its tracks. You guys are thinking you are fixing something that has actually been beneficial to the economic growth of this country. And I'm sadistic; I think it's as funny as heck.
Who would haven benefited if Tesla had been sent back? Certainly not the u.s. Now that we have laws preventing a future Tesla ... time is on its side.
It's about time undeveloped countries got real talent, u.s. packaged delivery, to help bring those countries up to speed ... and breed new competition for the u.s. (hide and watch, what happens next, it's going to be fun)
Hahahaha.
But as usual, you only look at one side of the coin, what they contribute, not what they take. And you look at only their effects in isolation not all the associated effects that come along with it. DACA dreamers are the inspiration for millions of uneducated unskilled illegals coming here. Why do you think these migrants continue bringing their kids here? Because they want them to one day be "dreamers".
Besides, you can't really be saying that we can only be successful if we can keep our neighboring countries in this hemisphere beaten down? Aren't you guys always saying that the long-term solution is to build them up? Make them have strong economies and higher standards of living? Weren't you guys criticizing Trump for threatening to cut foreign aid to Honduras and Guatemala? Weren't you guys cheering Obrador called for the US to contribute $25B to economic development in Central America?
But as usual, you only look at one side of the coin, what they contribute, not what they take. And you look at only their effects in isolation not all the associated effects that come along with it. DACA dreamers are the inspiration for millions of uneducated unskilled illegals coming here. Why do you think these migrants continue bringing their kids here? Because they want them to one day be "dreamers".
Besides, you can't really be saying that we can only be successful if we can keep our neighboring countries in this hemisphere beaten down? Aren't you guys always saying that the long-term solution is to build them up? Make them have strong economies and higher standards of living? Weren't you guys criticizing Trump for threatening to cut foreign aid to Honduras and Guatemala? Weren't you guys cheering Obrador called for the US to contribute $25B to economic development in Central America?
Yeah, my, my whatever did we do before the DACAs came? Americans weren't working, having kids, going to college, buying goods, etc. Our country will totally fall apart without them......NOT!
Yeah, my, my whatever did we do before the DACAs came? Americans weren't working, having kids, going to college, buying goods, etc. Our country will totally fall apart without them......NOT!
"If all undocumented immigrants were deported today, next year’s Social Security trust funds would have approximately $13 billion less for benefit payouts. It’s a considerable loss of dollars, especially when it’s projected that the Social Security funds will be depleted by 2034."
The real question is ... what are you taking from them? Then kicking 'em to the curb.
"If all undocumented immigrants were deported today, next year’s Social Security trust funds would have approximately $13 billion less for benefit payouts. It’s a considerable loss of dollars, especially when it’s projected that the Social Security funds will be depleted by 2034."
The real question is ... what are you taking from them? Then kicking 'em to the curb.
What comes around goes around.
Deport all of them and make an example of them! What are our obligations to these people? Do we owe them anything that we have to make an exception?
Soc Sec may lose money, but they will also be giving less money to parents of these roaches who are welfare collectors.
If we let emotions and compassion rule over common sense/rule of law then we might as well give up our country and make it United States of Central America.
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