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Old 11-14-2019, 11:10 PM
 
Location: Virginia
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Guess what gets won ... the entrepreneurs that have created businesses that employ u.s. citizens, those folks will be out of a job. $4 billion paid taxes, that's gone. Their collective $20 billion in buying power, that's gone ... sleep well grasshopper, you've done the u.s. good service. It couldn't have happened to a better country. Vote Trump 2020 and keep it rolling ...
Oh right--because companies are only run by a single person at the top and if that person is gone the entire enterprise folds, not a single other soul knows a thing about how to run the business. No contingency plans...not very good entrepreneurs.
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Old 11-14-2019, 11:47 PM
 
Location: Virginia
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To clarify the 91%: 91 % are employed OR in school.
They count taking an ESL class as "in school." They don't have to be full-time students pursuing a degree or vocational training.
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Old 11-15-2019, 07:36 AM
 
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What do they take?

Undocumented immigrants quietly pay billions into Social Security and receive no benefits

"If all undocumented immigrants were deported today, next year’s Social Security trust funds would have approximately $13 billion less for benefit payouts. It’s a considerable loss of dollars, especially when it’s projected that the Social Security funds will be depleted by 2034."

The real question is ... what are you taking from them? Then kicking 'em to the curb.

What comes around goes around.

You can't contribute SS payments without a SS number, which means they are using false numbers or stealing identities. Perhaps we should call it "unauthorized use of identity" instead of "identity theft" so as not to stigmatize anyone?



The same fraud mechanism that allows illegals to pay into SS allows them to draw from SS. Don't tell me how they are "ineligible". That's the theory. They are "ineligible" to even be here, yet here they are.



If the 12% SS withholding amounts to $13B then that means they are taking about $100B in wages from American workers.



What do they take? EITC and CTC amount to billions paid to illegals. Because they are refundable credits, that means many illegals get paid tax refunds when they paid net zero taxes.
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Old 11-15-2019, 08:00 AM
 
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WTH is an undocumented immigrant anyway? So such thing!
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Old 11-15-2019, 11:52 AM
 
Location: North Pacific
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What do they take?

Undocumented immigrants quietly pay billions into Social Security and receive no benefits

"If all undocumented immigrants were deported today, next year’s Social Security trust funds would have approximately $13 billion less for benefit payouts. It’s a considerable loss of dollars, especially when it’s projected that the Social Security funds will be depleted by 2034."

The real question is ... what are you taking from them? Then kicking 'em to the curb.

What comes around goes around.
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Deport all of them and make an example of them! What are our obligations to these people? Do we owe them anything that we have to make an exception?

Soc Sec may lose money, but they will also be giving less money to parents of these roaches who are welfare collectors.

If we let emotions and compassion rule over common sense/rule of law then we might as well give up our country and make it United States of Central America.
That would make the u.s. and even greater power house than what it already is ...

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they will also be giving less money to parents of these roaches who are welfare collectors.
If the parents are not citizens, how do they collect, that which they paid into all the while working in the u.s.?

In the mean time we have Boomers, largest workforce population, 10,000 a day in retirees collecting their SSI and who did not have the 2.5 children needed to pay into it.
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If we let emotions and compassion rule over common sense
Yet emotions will not let people see or understand the common sense of what will be taking place for future generations. For that there is no understanding but a knowing, what comes around goes around.

All anyone is willing to see is a negative impact, that is not there, not the positive impact that is there.

Not to mention: people are human beings, not dollars and cents. They are human, before they are of God, Country or Gender. Yet we do not treat, even ourselves that way. It's weird as heck.
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Old 11-15-2019, 12:00 PM
 
Location: North Pacific
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Guess what gets won ... the entrepreneurs that have created businesses that employ u.s. citizens, those folks will be out of a job. $4 billion paid taxes, that's gone. Their collective $20 billion in buying power, that's gone ... sleep well grasshopper, you've done the u.s. good service. It couldn't have happened to a better country. Vote Trump 2020 and keep it rolling ...
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Oh right--because companies are only run by a single person at the top and if that person is gone the entire enterprise folds, not a single other soul knows a thing about how to run the business. No contingency plans...not very good entrepreneurs.
Yes, they could sell those companies then take their money with them to their country of birth and open up competing companies on the global market. It would not surprise me if they took some of their employees with 'em. Pack your bags, company is moving ...
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Old 11-15-2019, 02:49 PM
 
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If the parents are not citizens, how do they collect, that which they paid into all the while working in the u.s.?

If the parents are not citizens, how are they even living much less working in the US? You guys like to waver back and forth between theory and reality. They collect the same way they contribute - fraudulently.
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Old 11-15-2019, 09:43 PM
 
Location: North Pacific
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If the parents are not citizens, how are they even living much less working in the US? You guys like to waver back and forth between theory and reality. They collect the same way they contribute - fraudulently.
They need to solve this before another tax dime gets collected from the DACAs.
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Old 11-15-2019, 10:05 PM
 
Location: Florida
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If the parents are not citizens, how are they even living much less working in the US? You guys like to waver back and forth between theory and reality. They collect the same way they contribute - fraudulently.
No they don't work "fraudulently".
DACA applicants must file form I-765 which is a Application for Employment Authorization.
They are working legally in the US.
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Old 11-15-2019, 10:41 PM
 
Location: Virginia
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Yes, they could sell those companies then take their money with them to their country of birth and open up competing companies on the global market. It would not surprise me if they took some of their employees with 'em. Pack your bags, company is moving ...
Uh-huh. Our Mexican and Central American illegals are famous for running multi-million dollar businesses that everyone on the global market wants a bite of. These companies could easily be moved to a third world country that has all the infrastructure and logistics they need. And their employees would be so happy to move with them there.

I have a bridge in Brooklyn to sell you.
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