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Old 11-12-2019, 07:18 PM
 
Location: North Pacific
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"us" do not make and determine immigration laws.

Congress does that.
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I edited my answer.

Besides what I wrote there.

We the people can obtain injunctions barring the administration from rescinding DACA. & that's just what many of US did, from immigrants’-rights activists & groups, to universities with undocumented faculty & students, to state governments, ... they sought & obtained injunctions.

Do people really think they have no recourse? Particularly with the incompetence of this administration?
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You mean "we the liberal Democrats people can obtain injunction barring the administration from rescinding DACA".

Thank goodness you don't speak for other millions of American who oppose DACA.
u.s. democracy at work So much about people can be revealed in this process.
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Old 11-12-2019, 07:18 PM
 
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You call them whatever you want. The concept of a human being "illegal" strikes me as very wrong and seriously dehumanizing... which I guess is the point.

You're only "illegal" within a certain context and there has always been this concept. The "illegal" Honduran in the U.S. is not illegal in Honduras. Every human being on this planet is "illegal" in some context. If you entered just about any other country without permission, they would consider you to be an illegal.
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Old 11-12-2019, 07:21 PM
 
Location: San Diego
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You call them whatever you want. The concept of a human being "illegal" strikes me as very wrong and seriously dehumanizing... which I guess is the point.
Which means by default your emotion doesn't allow you to cast forth logic.


Logic and fact... Everyone dies

Emotion ... but that sucks they shouldn't have to.
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Old 11-12-2019, 07:23 PM
 
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Which means by default your emotion doesn't allow you to cast forth logic.
I find it hard to square someone lecturing others on non-emotive logic when they are willing to cut off their nose to spite their face by deporting net societal contributors like DACA recipients.
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Old 11-12-2019, 07:23 PM
 
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You're only "illegal" within a certain context and there has always been this concept. The "illegal" Honduran in the U.S. is not illegal in Honduras. Every human being on this planet is "illegal" in some context. If you entered just about any other country without permission, they would consider you to be an illegal.
Crossing a border without permission is the only time people are directly called illegal rather than the act of crossing itself. That strikes me as intentional, no matter how long it's been used. I won't be part of that. Undocumented is what they are.
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Old 11-12-2019, 07:26 PM
 
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I follow the law and use the proper legal term-illegal aliens.

Delighted this case is being heard by our wonderful SC associates.
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Old 11-12-2019, 07:26 PM
 
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Which means by default your emotion doesn't allow you to cast forth logic.

Logic and fact... Everyone dies

Emotion ... but that sucks they shouldn't have to.

I don't see value in dehumanizing people. I also see value in maintaining compassion and empathy for others. Emotion is part of what makes us human, so I have no shame in it. You do. Different people, I guess.
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Old 11-12-2019, 07:27 PM
 
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I find it hard to square someone lecturing others on non-emotive logic when they are willing to cut off their nose to spite their face by deporting net societal contributors like DACA recipients.
Because it's never been about the law.
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Old 11-12-2019, 07:28 PM
 
Location: San Diego
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I find it hard to square someone lecturing others on non-emotive logic when they are willing to cut off their nose to spite their face by deporting net societal contributors like DACA recipients.
This is such unequivocal spent food waste from the small intestine. This is the equivalent of States fighting over who gets the most of them. You either aren't a citizen here, don't have kids or live in a cave and pay no taxes. Everyone else knows exactly how bad it is. No one wants them because they will kill your social services. Mow our own stupid lawn.
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Old 11-12-2019, 07:28 PM
 
Location: NJ/NY
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Crossing a border without permission is the only time people are directly called illegal rather than the act of crossing itself. That strikes me as intentional, no matter how long it's been used. I won't be part of that. Undocumented is what they are.
But they are not supposed to have documents. “Undocumented” implies that they have a document problem that can be fixed. That is why I don't call them undocumented. Their document problem shouldn’t be fixed.

If I drive around without having ever got a driver’s license, am I an undocumented driver?
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