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1) If Obama was allowed to permit illegal immigrant children to stay via his pen (Executive Order), why can't the next president be given the same level of authority to change it, also via Executive Order?
2) Let's stop pretending that DACA adults are saints. They have a substantially higher high school dropout rate and a lower college graduation rate than Americans do. (In other words, they bring down the average). And because so many of them are losers who didn't finish high school*, they are almost guaranteed to need public assistance for their "anchor" babies. This is adding to the financial burden placed on American taxpayers.
3) These DACA adults will not be getting deported anyway, unless they commit a crime (and even then liberals will go to the fence to keep them here). All it does is put the expiration date on the "temporary" nature of Obama's executive order.
*Appalling how they were given a chance to better their lives through a free education provided by Americans, despite the fact that they wouldn't even have been here if their parents weren't lawbreakers, and they throw that chance away.
1. They can. A competent president with desire to end it would have done it already.
2. No, they don't. 91% of them work, and pay taxes.
3. Deferred means deferred.
Children cannot be held liable for the crimes of their parents, so that is not much of an argument.
1) If Obama was allowed to permit illegal immigrant children to stay via his pen (Executive Order), why can't the next president be given the same level of authority to change it, also via Executive Order?
2) Let's stop pretending that DACA adults are saints. They have a substantially higher high school dropout rate and a lower college graduation rate than Americans do. (In other words, they bring down the average). And because so many of them are losers who didn't finish high school*, they are almost guaranteed to need public assistance for their "anchor" babies. This is adding to the financial burden placed on American taxpayers.
3) These DACA adults will not be getting deported anyway, unless they commit a crime (and even then liberals will go to the fence to keep them here). All it does is put the expiration date on the "temporary" nature of Obama's executive order.
*Appalling how they were given a chance to better their lives through a free education provided by Americans, despite the fact that they wouldn't even have been here if their parents weren't lawbreakers, and they throw that chance away.
Regarding the bold, that's actually not necessarily true. In order to maintain their DACA (deferred deportation) status, they must renew it every 2 years.
Regardless of how SCOTUS rules, DACAs will lose their deferred deportation status because either...
1) Obama illegally implemented the program via EO or EM in the first place, so it's an unlawful program.
or...
2) Obama implemented it via EO or EM, therefore Trump can end it the same way.
What is done by one president by the stroke of a pen can be undone by the next president, this is not the long term issue. The major issue is that we are seemingly unable to competently solve problems, including this one.
Nonsense. If you buy a pack of gum, you technically “pay taxes”.
Pro illegals Are always trying to obfuscate the reality of the situation. Anyone with any common sense knows this. One can contribute, and still be a taker. What matters is net contributions vs net benefits. If you contribute more than you take, you help the system. If you take more than you contribute, you weaken the system. It is meant as an emergency safety net, not a lifestyle choice.
If Jose, the landscaper, and Maria the housekeeper have 3 kids, each costing $12K per year to educate, that is $36K per year.
Do you think Jose and Maria’s taxes, assuming they pay them, are enough to cover that? They probably live in a rental of some sort, and if their contribution is $1,000 towards that $36,000 I would be surprised. So now that is $35,000 per year that has to come from somewhere else. Multiply that times a few million families.
In my state, the state income tax subsidizes the already insane property taxes for school funding. How much state income tax do you think Jose and Maria pay? On a good year, they may make, what? $50K? They are both in cash businesses, so do you think they report all of it? Do you think they report ANY of it? Do you think they went through the trouble of getting a stolen SS# or a tax ID number so that they could pay the government money? They are here illegally, so we already know that they have little regard for our laws.
Bingo! I've made the exact same argument. Liberals say that illegals pay taxes every time they pay the rent, as an indirect "pass-through" of property taxes owed by the owner. So if they are renting an apartment for $1000 that has a purchase price of $200,000, they are paying maybe $2,000 - $3,000 in property taxes.
But then, AMERICANS are paying $42,000 to educate their three children (it's $14,000 a year in my county), and that does not include ESOL classes and free breakfasts and lunches, so let's add several thousand more. It is costing Americans $50,000 a year for a typical illegal alien family.
Huh? My grandparents escaped extreme poverty and dangerous conditions too - but they did it legally. If you liberals want to rewrite the law, run for Congress.
My grandparents escaped extreme poverty, as well, but not the extremely dangerous conditions yours had to endure. That was unfathomably horrific.
But, yes, my grandparents immigrated LEGALLY, through Ellis Island. And it sure as hell wasn't easy; many were turned away including my grandmother and father (as a child) on their first attempt because my grandfather had lost his job in America and was determined by immigration unable to support two more family members. There's no excuse for anyone who doesn't immigrate legally. Illegal aliens? Deport them. DACAs? deport them. If they're so hell bent on living in the US, they can apply for a temporary student visa, a temporary work visa, or to LEGALLY immigrate.
Nonsense. If you buy a pack of gum, you technically “pay taxes”.
Pro illegals Are always trying to obfuscate the reality of the situation. Anyone with any common sense knows this. One can contribute, and still be a taker. What matters is net contributions vs net benefits. If you contribute more than you take, you help the system. If you take more than you contribute, you weaken the system. It is meant as an emergency safety net, not a lifestyle choice.
If Jose, the landscaper, and Maria the housekeeper have 3 kids, each costing $12K per year to educate, that is $36K per year.
Do you think Jose and Maria’s taxes, assuming they pay them, are enough to cover that? They probably live in a rental of some sort, and if their contribution is $1,000 towards that $36,000 I would be surprised. So now that is $35,000 per year that has to come from somewhere else. Multiply that times a few million families.
It is not nonsense. 91% them work. You pulling biased examples off the seat of your pants does not change the fact. DACA people paid over $9 billion in taxes, so obviously they are not all landscapers and housekeepers as you think. That being the case, an average DACA person pays more in income taxes than average American (quite a bit more, as a matter of fact).
DACA recipients own 59,000 homes and are directly responsible for $613.8 million in annual mortgage payments. They pay $2.3 billion in rent to their landlords each year.
They hold a combined $24.1 billion in spending power—or income remaining after paying taxes—each year.
They are by far the most productive segment of the alien population, and you want to deport them first. Go figure. Well, its easy to figure: Trump said so, and you repeat after him.
1. They can. A competent president with desire to end it would have done it already.
2. No, they don't. 91% of them work, and pay taxes.
3. Deferred means deferred.
Children cannot be held liable for the crimes of their parents, so that is not much of an argument.
1. End it? The lefties are up in arms against ending it.
2. No, they do not. For the minority who do pay income taxes, they do so with a stolen SS. (If you're talking about the $1 sales tax they pay when they take their familia to McDonald's, they doesn't go very far toward the $50,000 they're taking in education benefits for their kids._
3. Huh? Deferred means deferred - FOREVER?? The very nature of the word implies temporary.
Keep it up. Your insistence on defending illegal aliens above the interests of Americans will be the #1 issue that causes you to lose the election.
Bingo! I've made the exact same argument. Liberals say that illegals pay taxes every time they pay the rent, as an indirect "pass-through" of property taxes owed by the owner. So if they are renting an apartment for $1000 that has a purchase price of $200,000, they are paying maybe $2,000 - $3,000 in property taxes.
But then, AMERICANS are paying $42,000 to educate their three children (it's $14,000 a year in my county), and that does not include ESOL classes and free breakfasts and lunches, so let's add several thousand more. It is costing Americans $50,000 a year for a typical illegal alien family.
You are moving the goal posts from 600 000 DACA people to the entire illegal alien population of 11 million.
DACA segment is a productive group, and should be the last to be deported, but it seems Trump and his loyalists want to get rid of the productive ones first.
Deferred means to put off (an action or event) to a later time; postpone. Their deportation is merely temporarily postponed, not eliminated
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