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Old 11-14-2019, 02:16 PM
 
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Originally Posted by GotHereQuickAsICould View Post
Probably because most of us have Informed Consent on ignore.

Why bother reading and responding to post after post full of misinformation and nutball conspiracy theories?
Its a legitimate question... What did the Ukraine do in exchange for the aid? You know... like Biden threatened to withhold $1 billion unless the Ukraine fired its prosecutor within 6 hours, so they did.

 
Old 11-14-2019, 02:20 PM
 
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that's just your liberal's opinion. it is entirely legal for president to investigate biden and any corrupt democrats.
The president can do that, what he can't do is withhold funds allocated by congress to force another country to do it. He can call Barr right now and get an investigation started, I wonder why he hasn't tried that?
 
Old 11-14-2019, 02:24 PM
 
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how can this be a bribery?
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Definition of bribe (Entry 1 of 2)
1: money or favor given or promised in order to influence the judgment or conduct of a person in a position of trust
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/bribe

Trump offered the Ukrainian President that he would get funds if he do him a favor.
 
Old 11-14-2019, 02:25 PM
 
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OP forgot to take his/her meds today?
 
Old 11-14-2019, 02:25 PM
 
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They didn't bother to cover it up because the election was fixed for Killery to win!! Why do you think they are so pissed, how the hell do you loose when you cheat??
This is what happens when one party controls the media. They become fearless to the point of stupidity and immoral to their core.

They want a global system. They are working toward a one world government! They have been working on it FOR DECADES! They weren’t afraid to write it down because they NEVER thought they would have to deal with an ACTUAL president. Someone who cares about our country, who cannot be bought. Who will not sit by as The Elitist puppet.

They think they have the moral high ground! To them the end justifies the means! When President Trump got elected; it threatened to uncover ALL OF IT! They decided on DAY ONE to get rid of him. They just didn’t count on how intelligent he really is! He has played their game against them! He’s allowed them to hang themselves .

President Trump has known about their coup against him. He has friends in the intelligence community, FBI, etc. He has also uncovered more corruption. It is getting ready to get real!

You COULD go to jail for conspiracy fact. That is, if the "legal system", (and I use that term with the ultimate magnanimity.), would prosecute. But the legal system is in the left's pocket just as much as the media is.
Just like russiagate, they completely ignored any relevant witnesses. Just like that Russian lawyer from the Trump tower meeting, never called to testify.

Schiff denied AGAIN, lied AGAIN today during the impeachment proceedings when he insisted that he has never spoken with the whistle blower.

I thought the Avengers finished off the last of Hydra in Age Of Ultron. Consequences . . . knowledge without consequences is entertainment, not justice.
"Conspiracy" and "facts" do not belong in the same sentence. Unless you say something like, "those who believe in conspiracies really should get the facts first."
 
Old 11-14-2019, 02:26 PM
 
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What makes you think he isn't? Barr doesnt announce everything he does beforehand. We hear about it when it becomes a criminal investigation. For example, the Durham criminal investigation into the deep state and the Dems. Biden might already be part of that investigation as Biden's own braggadocious admission was recently thrust into the public eye.
Then why try to bribe the Ukrainian president? Does he think that Barr is not capable of doing the investigation?
 
Old 11-14-2019, 02:28 PM
 
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But your scenario isn't anything like what is going on now with the impeachment bs and President Trump.

Here's a scenario that would more fit what is going on right now:

The police get an anonymous tip that you robbed a bank. But no bank is reporting a robbery and no one has witnessed the so-called robbery. But the police go and arrest and put you on trial for bank robbery anyways. If the court doesn't have enough evidence to convict you, everyone screams conspiracy theory.


That scenario is exactly what the demolibs are doing to President Trump now and have been doing from day one, starting right after he won the election.
Who witnessed Clinton getting a BJ? Was Linda Tripp watching?

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Old 11-14-2019, 02:29 PM
 
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Then why try to bribe the Ukrainian president?
He didn't. The Ukraine got the aid and did nothing in return for it. Biden, on the other hand, actually did bribe the Ukraine to fire their prosecutor within 6 hours, so they did. He then bragged about it on Video at the CFR.
 
Old 11-14-2019, 02:31 PM
 
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We already have statements from the two primary participants who have first hand knowledge: Trump and Zelensky. Both say there was no QPQ, no pressure, no extortion, no bribe, and the Ukraine got their aid without doing anything in return for it. There's nothing there. Meanwhile, the Dems continue acting the fools in a very public way.
We need those statements to be made UNDER OATH!
 
Old 11-14-2019, 02:32 PM
 
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if Trump goes to DOJ and DOJ is asking Ukraine to investigate Biden in exchange for aid. Is it still a bribery and impeachable offense?
I would think so.

I suspect he could request that the DOJ, or whatever the appropriate agency would be, to work with their corresponding Ukrainian agency to look into corruption in general.

Trump could probably ask Congress to hold off on authorizing security aid until there was some assurance that it wouldn't be going in the pockets of corrupt officials.

Trump is on shaky grounds just asking the DOJ to investigate a political opponent. That's a level of corruption that nations like Russia are used to, and that Ukraine is trying to get away from.

However, it's not up to us to decide what is or is not impeachable.

That's the process that is underway now in the House.
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