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Old 11-20-2019, 06:11 PM
 
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Nothing illegal to ask for a investigation
Withholding Military aid if said request wasn't honored?
Bribery

With regard to governmental operations, essentially, bribery is "Corrupt solicitation, acceptance, or transfer of value in exchange for official action.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bribery
It wasn't withheld.

No investigation happened.
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Old 11-20-2019, 06:15 PM
 
Location: Long Island
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Its wrong because the president isn't allowed to hold US taxpayer money for information that would personally aid himself from a foreign government. Because Biden was at the time the frontrunner for the nomination Trump may have assumed he would secure the nomination.
Speaking on a cell phone that wasn't secure to his ambassadors in Ukraine opens the door to other countries listening in & that is a national security issue.
and taxpayer money should not be supporting foreign nations....none of them... especially not Nazi ukraine
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Old 11-20-2019, 06:17 PM
 
Location: Long Island
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Nothing illegal to ask for a investigation
Withholding Military aid if said request wasn't honored?
Bribery

With regard to governmental operations, essentially, bribery is "Corrupt solicitation, acceptance, or transfer of value in exchange for official action.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bribery
and when obozo with held the military aid??? after Obama made Ukraine disarm....


liberalism is a mental disease
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Old 11-20-2019, 06:44 PM
 
Location: Del Rio, TN
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quid pro quo itself is not wrong, it mean this for that. What is illegal is someone bribing someone else for personal gain. Trump wanted the Ukrainian president to announce an investigation into Biden to help him personally in the election. The quid pro quo is needed to prove bribery.
How would it help him in the election if that happens NOW? The only ones that gain are Biden's primary challengers. If it were after the primary and Biden were the nominated candidate-you might have a point. But still, even then, or perhaps especially so, we deserve to know what level of corruption candidates such as Biden have indulged in.

Now, as I said, all this really does is help Biden's challengers, particularly Lizzie and Bernie. Now-the Dems have to know that they have nothing on Trump, that this won't go anywhere-and they know that Biden's bribe of Ukraine to s-can the investigation into Biden was largely ignored by the media. All this noise about impeachment have gotten Biden's actions, which had slipped under the radar, front and center. I have to wonder if that wasn't the motivation in the first place for the media and the shakers in the Dimwit party.
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Old 11-20-2019, 06:46 PM
 
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Can someone explain to me why it would be wrong IF Trump made aid based on a quid pro quo?

Think about it: Biden bragged about doing it--we've seen the video of him bragging that he got a prosecutor fired. No one seemed to care.

You may say Biden is a political rival. Is he? Biden is not running for President. He's running for the nomination. Until the primaries are over and he has secured the nomination, he's not running against Trump. They are not in the same party, so they are not running against each other.

Fact is, we know that his son DID receive favors and made a lot of money. And we know that his daddy was the veep.
You need to do a little more research about Biden's bragging about firing a prosecutor.

Bribery is an abuse of the president's oath of office. You don't withhold necessary military aid from a country in dire need in order for them to investigate your political rival.

We know there was no evidence found of wrongdoing by either Biden.
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Old 11-20-2019, 07:00 PM
 
Location: Florida
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quid pro quo itself is not wrong, it mean this for that. What is illegal is someone bribing someone else for personal gain. Trump wanted the Ukrainian president to announce an investigation into Biden to help him personally in the election. The quid pro quo is needed to prove bribery.
Not a thing wrong with investigating Burisma. When Joe Biden's son was working for Burisma , Obama called for an investigation into Burisma. The Europeans were investigating Burisma because the corruption was that bad.

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Old 11-20-2019, 07:04 PM
 
Location: Unperson Everyman Land
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Not at all. If Trump wants Biden investigated he has the whole DOJ to look into him, no need to brine a foreign country to do the dirty work for him.
DOJ has legal jurisdiction in the United States.

Ukraine would be someone else's country.
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Old 11-20-2019, 07:11 PM
 
Location: Florida
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You need to do a little more research about Biden's bragging about firing a prosecutor.

Bribery is an abuse of the president's oath of office. You don't withhold necessary military aid from a country in dire need in order for them to investigate your political rival.

We know there was no evidence found of wrongdoing by either Biden.

https://nypost.com/2019/10/09/sorry-...kraine-at-all/



Obama did not give Ukraine any Javelins to Ukraine. Obama did NOTHING WHEN RUSSIA ANNEXED CRIMEA .


In 2014, after Russia annexed Crimea and began arming separatists in eastern Ukraine with tanks, armored vehicles and rocket launchers, Ukrainian President Petro Poroshenko came to Washington to plead for weapons to defend his country. In an impassioned address to a joint session of Congress — with Biden sitting directly behind him — Poroshenko said his country appreciated the nonlethal assistance he was getting, but declared “one cannot win a war with blankets.”
The Obama-Biden administration was unmoved. The Wall Street Journal reported at the time that “President Barack Obama stuck to his refusal to provide weapons or other lethal military gear to Ukraine.” Why?
Team Obama feared that lethal aid would provoke Moscow.


Obama is a Communist.. this is why he did not give the javelins and this is why they want Trump out.. We have many many Russian operatives in our government , in our colleges and the fruit is now the democrats are pushing Socialism. The Obama transformation. They are trying for a Totalitarian media and press . they are almost there. The playbook of the democrats is written in the book 1984.
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Old 11-20-2019, 07:31 PM
 
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There was no quid pro quo in the transcripts that were released. Unless those have been disproven this is just another nothing burger. The testimony I've seen so far has been nothing but hearsay and political theater.
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Old 11-20-2019, 07:45 PM
 
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Can someone explain to me why it would be wrong IF Trump made aid based on a quid pro quo?

Think about it: Biden bragged about doing it--we've seen the video of him bragging that he got a prosecutor fired. No one seemed to care.

You may say Biden is a political rival. Is he? Biden is not running for President. He's running for the nomination. Until the primaries are over and he has secured the nomination, he's not running against Trump. They are not in the same party, so they are not running against each other.

Fact is, we know that his son DID receive favors and made a lot of money. And we know that his daddy was the veep.
Um, Trump got caught doing it.

That's pretty much the big difference.

I'm not naive, certainly it goes on but in this case, Trump gave them ammo.

Just like Bill Clinton's impeachment, if he hadn't shot his fun-stuff all over Lewinsky then while we all knew it happened, there would have been no proof.

So derp. Trump effed up. May not be serious enough of an offense for the Senate to agree but that's all partisan politics.
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