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Old 11-21-2019, 05:30 PM
 
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From the story, it sounds like the robbers were about to exit the store. The employees had complied and nobody had been shot. The way it should be. The concealed-carry guy was standing at the front of the store and presumably could have run out the door at any time.

This shows that guns are not the answer. Experts will tell you that having a gun just adds to the violence. How can that possibly be a good thing?

It sounds like this is a high crime area. There should not be gun shops in a high crime area anyway.
They should at least have a trap door ….right !
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Old 11-21-2019, 05:48 PM
 
Location: Metro Detroit, Michigan
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The thing is, the gun nuts say they should bear arms to guard against state/government tyranny.

Then I say: Cool, we can use our guns against the tyrannical treasonous administration headed by Trump.

Gun nuts:


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Ya, you're not a loon in real life I bet
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Old 11-21-2019, 07:46 PM
 
Location: Near Falls Lake
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From the story, it sounds like the robbers were about to exit the store. The employees had complied and nobody had been shot. The way it should be. The concealed-carry guy was standing at the front of the store and presumably could have run out the door at any time.

This shows that guns are not the answer. Experts will tell you that having a gun just adds to the violence. How can that possibly be a good thing?

It sounds like this is a high crime area. There should not be gun shops in a high crime area anyway.
So you take a single incident and from that decide that guns are not the answer. Certainly in this case you are correct, however there have been many times when guns were the answer.

So people that happen to live in high crime areas shouldn't have a gun store so they can purchase a firearm to protect themselves?
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Old 11-21-2019, 07:58 PM
 
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Repubes live off of 'single anecdotes'. That's how they whip their lemurs watching Faux News into a frenzy.
There are extreme R and D morons. Based on your eloquently written post you fall in that spectrum so worry about yourself I suppose. I mean morons are going to write their garbage after all.
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Old 11-21-2019, 08:08 PM
 
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Robbers now ups there sentences to murder.. better run....
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Old 11-21-2019, 08:14 PM
 
Location: Oklahoma
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I'd have waited until they ran out the store and then would have shot them in the back.
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Old 11-21-2019, 08:15 PM
 
Location: southern california
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From the story, it sounds like the robbers were about to exit the store. The employees had complied and nobody had been shot. The way it should be. The concealed-carry guy was standing at the front of the store and presumably could have run out the door at any time.

This shows that guns are not the answer. Experts will tell you that having a gun just adds to the violence. How can that possibly be a good thing?

It sounds like this is a high crime area. There should not be gun shops in a high crime area anyway.
What nonsense what do you think the cops are going to do when they show up - hold the door for them? The good guy needs to shoot better
3 elements of weapon use -possession training and volition
If all 3 are not present it’s useless
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Old 11-21-2019, 08:30 PM
 
Location: Ft. Myers
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I feel horrible for the guy's family, but rule one of concealed carry should be if you're going to shoot someone, you better be a decent shot, as non-paper targets sometimes shoot back.


https://www.chron.com/news/houston-texas/houston/article/Gun-owner-killed-trying-to-stop-Houston-pawn-shop-14852131.php

That is a perfect example of the fallacy that all gun carriers are able to effectively protect themselves in a panic situation. I have sharpshooter medals from the service, and am a pretty good shot, but, after years of not touching my guns, I would be very rusty and probably bungle the job, if I had to react.

Trained professionals PRACTICE all the time to keep their skills honed, most average Joes and Janes THINK they are capable, but when they are faced with an emergency situation, they freeze or even shoot bystanders by mistake. Have there been times when a gun carrier did successfully shoot some perp ? Sure, but those are rare times, compared to it going the other way.

Last place I want to be is in a crowd when some good Samaritan tries to play John Wayne, and sprays bullets all over the place.
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Old 11-21-2019, 08:48 PM
 
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I feel horrible for the guy's family, but rule one of concealed carry should be if you're going to shoot someone, you better be a decent shot, as non-paper targets sometimes shoot back.


[url="https://www.chron.com/news/[/URL]
I have no clue (nor will I click on) what website you linked from "chron".
However rest assured for every story about good guys trying to stop thwart bad guys without success, law abiding citizens use firearms to legally stop potential crime far more than you might imagine.

The NRA publishes a monthly account of news stories gathered from around the country giving examples of men & women using CC firearms or those used in home defense.

https://www.nraila.org/gun-laws/armed-citizen/

It is not biased reporting, as it only quotes local news stories from around the nation giving multiple examples every single month.


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Old 11-21-2019, 08:54 PM
 
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The thing is, the gun nuts say they should bear arms to guard against state/government tyranny.

Then I say: Cool, we can use our guns against the tyrannical treasonous administration headed by Trump.

Gun nuts:


.
You fems can barely handle meat let alone a gun
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