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I wasnt trying to make the case that Mississippi's poor national standings didnt exist.
Just that progressives that reference Mississippi in a derogatory way seem to have blinders on regarding the wierdly progressive capitol.
Look at the quality of schools, infrastructure and general governance in Jackson. Most of it is below the overall poor state standards.
You’re singling out Jackson while avoiding the rest of the state, and Mississippi in its entirety is below NATIONAL standards in everything, not just Jackson.
Mississippi is a national embarrassment. Even though I remain angry that they ran my grandfather out of the state in the late 30’s because he wouldn’t kowtow to the whims of white folks, I’m grateful that my family got out of there. Only my great grandparents stayed because they had to keep the farm going. That state is 48k square miles of tragedy.
But at least it gave birth to the blues....the only worthwhile export the state has ever had.
No way. Kyl can’t beat just ANY Democrat. The days are over when a guy like Kyl needed only an R after his name and a few million in the coffers. There are Democrats that he could beat, but any fairly well known Democrat with big DNC money behind him can beat Kyl. This state has changed drastically.
As for McSally, we basically chased her out of this district. Moreover, she doesn’t belong in that Senate seat, but Gov. Doofus imposed her on us. Someone who didn’t lose an election should’ve gotten that appointment.
There is no well known Dem here that could beat Kyl he won't run anyway. The state is still very much Republican will stay that way for your lifetime. Governor Ducey did the right thing appointing McSally she did get 1.35 million votes what would you have him do appoint a democrat LOL.
I bet your hoping Mark Kelly wins. An anti gun liberal from Tucson you know how many gun owners live here. I don't even know anyone who doesn't own an AR-15 here even democrats are pro gun here. He could walk on water he won't be elected. No Tucson liberal has ever won a senate seat in Arizona. Mohammad Arif has better chance of winning then Mark Kelly.
Republicans are only good if you're rich or a bigot
It is wild that you bring up bigotry, because the Democratic Party is full of bigotry and intolerance. Most members of the Democratic Party regard white men who are masculine and heterosexual to be oppressors, which is not true. Anyone who opposes far left socialism or communism is a deplorable.
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It is the tweaks to capitalism that has been great for the average man. It’s the “socialist” Ferber borne out of the early 1900s that has done the most for people. It gave workers rights, gave us the 8 hour work day, gave us labor unions, etc. FDR stated that these policies did a great deal to save capitalism. Without these pursuits a large amount of the people in our society would literally be wage slaves without any protections. Think triangle shirtwaist factory.
It seems like a gag reflex for your ilk at this point whenever someone proposes a social program, “communist” “socialist”. Like y’all say about the word racist, you keep blurting out these terms is like cry wolf. I haven’t heard of any democrat candidate calling for the abolishment of the capital class. Quit it with the hyperbole.
Bernie Sanders and AOC oppose capitalism. They are huge proponents of statist control.
The 8 hour work day is beneficial, though in white collar professions, a lot of people are not doing 8 hour work days anymore. As for workers right, a lot of states now are right to work states where employers can fire employees for any reason or no reason at all at any time. The offset to that is that employees can quit with no notice for no reason. Labor union participation has been declining for decades.
The United States is not a purely capitalistic model at this point. It actually hasn't been in a long time. I prefer a purely capitalistic model.
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Actually, Donald Trump is well liked in Texas. Just not liked in the urban areas in Dallas, Houston, San Antonio, and El Paso
Most of the population is in the cities, and you forgot Austin.
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Sinema hasnt shown to be as loony as I expected her to be. I sort of like her. She pushes back at the other dems idiocy sometimes, or just ignores it. She doesnt seem to be the good little proggy robot that the dems want.
Sinema was a loony when she was a state legislator, but as both a U.S. House rep and as a senator, she hasn't been a Pelosi/Schumer/AOC leftist. But she's still further left than McSally.
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I suspect if you had a Republican like John Kyle run again here to replace McCain he could easily beat any democrat tries to run here. The issue I had with McSalley was she aligned herself with Trump who was very disrespectful of John McCain's military service. Trump who used his families wealth to dodge the draft has no right to say the things he did about McCain's service. McSalley didn't say much about it I felt like she should have stood with Arizona not Trump. I don't agree with Sinema on everything I felt it was better choice.
Trump's assessment that John McCain was not a war hero was 100% accurate. John McCain was not a war hero. War heroes do not get captured. War heroes contribute to a winning war effort. He did not. He also made confessions to his captors.
John McCain's legislative record was an embarrassment to the Republican Party, which is why he was officially censured. Post-censuring, his vote on not repealing the 2010 Affordable Act was dishonorable and traitorous. Throughout his career, his lack of alignment with Republican ideology was a joke. John McCain was a RINO who did very little to improve Arizona. During McCain's 32 years as a U.S. Senator representing Arizona, Arizona as a state got worse. Not all of it is his fault, but that's pretty telling.
His effort in the 2008 Presidential Election was pathetic. He should not have run in 2008 after George W. Bush proved in 2000 that he was not viable on a national level.
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Just from my school district I know 11 teachers who bough their retirement homes in Tuscon already, taking their liberal left wing ideology which raised their taxes so high back here that they are fleeing the state. This they will likely destroy AZ too.
100% accurate.
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Cruz has no business running again, his rightful place is on the Supreme Court. They should search for a strong, likable senatorial candidate to replace Cruz as he moves to the Supreme Court.
Texas Republicans are not happy with Ted Cruz after that showing in 2018. I think his long term viability has been destroyed. Private sector law practice is Cruz's future.
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I bet your hoping Mark Kelly wins. An anti gun liberal from Tucson you know how many gun owners live here. I don't even know anyone who doesn't own an AR-15 here even democrats are pro gun here. He could walk on water he won't be elected. No Tucson liberal has ever won a senate seat in Arizona. Mohammad Arif has better chance of winning then Mark Kelly.
It is wild that you bring up bigotry, because the Democratic Party is full of bigotry and intolerance. Most members of the Democratic Party regard white men who are masculine and heterosexual to be oppressors, which is not true. Anyone who opposes far left socialism or communism is a deplorable.
Bernie Sanders and AOC oppose capitalism. They are huge proponents of statist control.
The 8 hour work day is beneficial, though in white collar professions, a lot of people are not doing 8 hour work days anymore. As for workers right, a lot of states now are right to work states where employers can fire employees for any reason or no reason at all at any time. The offset to that is that employees can quit with no notice for no reason. Labor union participation has been declining for decades.
The United States is not a purely capitalistic model at this point. It actually hasn't been in a long time. I prefer a purely capitalistic model.
Most of the population is in the cities, and you forgot Austin.
Sinema was a loony when she was a state legislator, but as both a U.S. House rep and as a senator, she hasn't been a Pelosi/Schumer/AOC leftist. But she's still further left than McSally.
Trump's assessment that John McCain was not a war hero was 100% accurate. John McCain was not a war hero. War heroes do not get captured. War heroes contribute to a winning war effort. He did not. He also made confessions to his captors.
John McCain's legislative record was an embarrassment to the Republican Party, which is why he was officially censured. Post-censuring, his vote on not repealing the 2010 Affordable Act was dishonorable and traitorous. Throughout his career, his lack of alignment with Republican ideology was a joke. John McCain was a RINO who did very little to improve Arizona. During McCain's 32 years as a U.S. Senator representing Arizona, Arizona as a state got worse. Not all of it is his fault, but that's pretty telling.
His effort in the 2008 Presidential Election was pathetic. He should not have run in 2008 after George W. Bush proved in 2000 that he was not viable on a national level.
100% accurate.
Texas Republicans are not happy with Ted Cruz after that showing in 2018. I think his long term viability has been destroyed. Private sector law practice is Cruz's future.
I hope you are accurate. I fear you are not.
Sinema votes what in her estimation is best for the people of Arizona. Usually that lines up with the Dems but on occasion she votes with the conservative as well. McCain's vote on the disastrous Republican health care bill was a vote for his state. Hundreds of thousands of Arizonans benefit from Obamacare provisions. The healthcare industry here was pulled from the brink of economic collapse by the Medicaid expansion and has surged and flourished as the largest employer in the state now. That bill would have been a dagger to the heart. It was bad legislation. McCain like Sinema voted for what was best. McSally, on the other hand, is a party hack who votes whatever the GOP tells her to and to hell with her state. Hopefully she will be gone next year.
Arizona for years and years voted for mostly Republicans, but sometimes good Democrats they felt had the interests of the people first - DeConcini, Babbitt, Napolitano and more. The referenda like minimum wage show that the state is not lockstep right by a long stretch. The pain of the Great Recession sent the state to the right shoulder but we seem to be getting back on course of moderation where the right wing GOP is not going to find fertile ground without a change in policy positions.
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Sinema votes what in her estimation is best for the people of Arizona. Usually that lines up with the Dems but on occasion she votes with the conservative as well. McCain's vote on the disastrous Republican health care bill was a vote for his state. Hundreds of thousands of Arizonans benefit from Obamacare provisions. The healthcare industry here was pulled from the brink of economic collapse by the Medicaid expansion and has surged and flourished as the largest employer in the state now. That bill would have been a dagger to the heart. It was bad legislation. McCain like Sinema voted for what was best. McSally, on the other hand, is a party hack who votes whatever the GOP tells her to and to hell with her state. Hopefully she will be gone next year.
Arizona for years and years voted for mostly Republicans, but sometimes good Democrats they felt had the interests of the people first - DeConcini, Babbitt, Napolitano and more. The referenda like minimum wage show that the state is not lockstep right by a long stretch. The pain of the Great Recession sent the state to the right shoulder but we seem to be getting back on course of moderation where the right wing GOP is not going to find fertile ground without a change in policy positions.
The 2010 Affordable Care Act was bad legislation and needed to be repealed. Healthcare was in need of reform prior to 2010, and is still in need of reform. The 2010 Affordable Care Act solved very little. I do not agree in any way regarding the overall benefit of keeping that bill as existing law.
There is not much good about Medicaid. The government does nothing better than the private sector. Think about the U.S. Postal Service. Federal Express and UPS are better. Having healthcare administered by bureaucrats is a worse solution than having market forces dictate it. Medicaid was signed into law by one of the United States' worst presidents in Lyndon Johnson. I would prefer a significant reduction in Medicaid.
As a nation, we cannot continue to enslave our poor in perpetual poverty. Handouts like Medicaid are a part of the problem. While a short term safety net is acceptable, we have problems of multigenerational poverty through entitlement programs like Medicaid, food stamps, and welfare. If government is to do anything to help economically disadvantaged people, it should only be in the form of short term relief and setting up a system to provide citizens with the greatest opportunities to lift themselves out of poverty. Medicaid expansion is not in the best interests of any state.
You mention that the healthcare industry is the largest industry in Arizona, and while that's accurate, it is tremendously problematic. For a lot of working age Arizonans, working in some capacity in the healthcare industry is one of the few reasons to live in AZ when not a college student or retiree. That's not healthy. There isn't a good base of corporate employment in AZ. Because Arizona was nothing prior to the mass proliferation of air conditioning, you don't see the legacy companies of the world like Procter & Gamble headquartered in AZ. Arizona was not the home of new tech companies such as Google and Facebook. The list of companies heaquartered in Arizona is unimpressive. No politicians from either party have effectively solved the issue of attracting high quality corporate employment to AZ to help working age residents of the state. Solving that problem would be a lot more beneficial to Arizona than participating in a sham of Medicaid expansion.
No politician in AZ has effectively protected Arizona's delicate ecosystem. The growth in AZ that has occurred since the 2nd half of the 20th Century has occurred in a way that is environmentally unhealthy. There is a lack of environmental resources to support the growth. When I lived in AZ in the 2000s, I was always saddened to see pristine desert land being torn up for housing and commercial development. I would have preferred to see limited growth in AZ and more upward development instead of mass suburbanization. Without the good base of corporate employment, limited growth would have been a better course of action.
Arizona was a much better when it was a smaller state. Metro Phoenix should be no more than ~1.5 million, Metro Tucson should be no more than ~600,000 and the rest of the state should amount to about 1 million people. This would roughly resemble conditions in the mid-1980s. If Arizona were a smaller state population-wise, not having a good base of corporate employment would be understandable and less development would be good for the wonderful desert lands in the state. For the last 3 decades, Arizona has been caught in an odd place. It has tried to be like the big metropolises of California and the East Coast in terms of population but with the general employment infrastructure of mid cities areas like Oklahoma City and Tulsa. That's not a healthy combination, and the problem keeps getting compounded. I moved away because of the lack of high quality corporate employment relative to the size of the state.
Sinema votes what in her estimation is best for the people of Arizona. Usually that lines up with the Dems but on occasion she votes with the conservative as well. McCain's vote on the disastrous Republican health care bill was a vote for his state. Hundreds of thousands of Arizonans benefit from Obamacare provisions. The healthcare industry here was pulled from the brink of economic collapse by the Medicaid expansion and has surged and flourished as the largest employer in the state now. That bill would have been a dagger to the heart. It was bad legislation. McCain like Sinema voted for what was best. McSally, on the other hand, is a party hack who votes whatever the GOP tells her to and to hell with her state. Hopefully she will be gone next year.
Arizona for years and years voted for mostly Republicans, but sometimes good Democrats they felt had the interests of the people first - DeConcini, Babbitt, Napolitano and more. The referenda like minimum wage show that the state is not lockstep right by a long stretch. The pain of the Great Recession sent the state to the right shoulder but we seem to be getting back on course of moderation where the right wing GOP is not going to find fertile ground without a change in policy positions.
Yeah Obamacare was so good for me. Full time job cut to part time and then they stole my tax refund as a fine for not having health insurance.
I wasnt trying to make the case that Mississippi's poor national standings didnt exist.
Just that progressives that reference Mississippi in a derogatory way seem to have blinders on regarding the wierdly progressive capitol.
Look at the quality of schools, infrastructure and general governance in Jackson. Most of it is below the overall poor state standards.
I'm sorry, but bringing up that Mississippi's largest city is democrat, doesn't mean anything. Cities are typically democrat across the board. Population density is one of the greatest predictors of voting trends for a given area. Cities, even in red states, are usually democrat. This has nothing to do with how the state is run at a state wide level. Republicans still dominate the state and their policies trickle down to the cities within the state.
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It is wild that you bring up bigotry, because the Democratic Party is full of bigotry and intolerance. Most members of the Democratic Party regard white men who are masculine and heterosexual to be oppressors, which is not true. Anyone who opposes far left socialism or communism is a deplorable
I'm just going to address the bolded for the BS that it is. I'm a white man, and consider myself masculine, and I disagree with your stupid statement there
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