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Old 12-05-2019, 09:55 AM
 
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Lol. This must be a totally new type of kool aid.

 
Old 12-05-2019, 09:56 AM
 
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Yep Obama- Obamacare.. Reagan- USSR downfall Carter- Iran hostage crisis..

Trumps legacy will now be meddling with a foreign official like it or not.
His legacy will be that he will be #1 or #2 (Reagan is current #1) in terms of indicted and/or jailed associates and administration/campaign managers, etc.

But that's only one small part.

One needs to assume that even his defenders (like the scholar yesterday) don't seem to think he is decent...they may defend him on process, but what are they going to say and think after he is gone?

Same with the GOP in general. They are scared of him but it is likely they will, if it fits their plans, change tacks completely to "win" in the near future thereby putting him to bed.

The minority of Americans who support him will die off....and/or they will move toward the center if the party tells them. Then they will claim they are moderates and/or are voting for the lesser of two evils.

It's always the same game. The good thing is that we have written and video and audio evidence of all of these things today so the GOP is going to have a hard time running away from those things.
 
Old 12-05-2019, 09:57 AM
 
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Lincoln violated the Constitution many times and should have been impeached.
 
Old 12-05-2019, 09:58 AM
 
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Let's just hope he's not "remembred" as the OP claims.
:-)
 
Old 12-05-2019, 09:59 AM
 
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It will make him memorable, and he will go down in history all right.
But for all the wrong reasons.


He will be remembered as the President:

Who abused his office and the constitution

Who sold out America to Russia

Who tried to be King

Who goverened by childish name calling and tweeting.

Who put kids in cages

Who was the most corrupt President ever.
 
Old 12-05-2019, 09:59 AM
 
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Lincoln violated the Constitution many times and should have been impeached.
And thousands of Confederates should have been hanged....but Lincoln and others held the Union in a higher esteem than revenge.

What would the GOP Trump/Tucker Hero Putin or Stalin do to a rebellion? Well, we don't have to ask since the proof is right before us.
 
Old 12-05-2019, 10:05 AM
 
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Long remembered, certainly.
 
Old 12-05-2019, 10:27 AM
 
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Correction. Trump will go down in history the same way Andrew Johnson, Richard Nixon and Bill Clinton did. As presidents who were impeached but managed to avoid conviction, but whose legacy was forever tainted by their misconduct in office.
Bill Clinton took on supposedly conservative issues like welfare reform, he was popular among white middle and working class Americans. Something foreign to today's Democrat party.

impeachment hurt the republicans, Clinton recorded his highest approval ratings ever right after impeachment.
 
Old 12-05-2019, 10:50 AM
 
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Bill Clinton took on supposedly conservative issues like welfare reform, he was popular among white middle and working class Americans. Something foreign to today's Democrat party.

impeachment hurt the republicans, Clinton recorded his highest approval ratings ever right after impeachment.
It's quite telling when Trump has never been anywhere near 50% in combined polling.

https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com...ex_cid=rrpromo

No POTUS in the history of polling science has been that bad for that long in the first term. Not even close (scroll down that page)...and select "net approval".....

Obama did OK figuring he was black (let's not pretend that the USA doesn't have an anti-black bloc) and that the GOP did everything in their power and in the power of their Billionaire backers to make sure nothing was done.

Truly a historic POTUS. Trump, that is. He's the best at being the worst!

Remember, tho, that Clinton was popular before and after the impeachment.....so it wasn't like the impeachment changed the long term trend, rather it was just a little spike. This has no relationship to the Trump situation.

My thinking (and I was there....for Clinton....fully middle-age) was that the populace thought that a 5 year secret (this is now outlawed) real estate investigation ending up with charges of lying about consensual sex was bad morally, but certainly not a historical article of impeachment.

On the other hand, Trump has a list of actions longer that we could even lay out......which, to a reasonable observer, cross many lines. So an impeachment is not some ridiculous over-reach.

Of course the Senate will not throw him out. But all of this will be on the record and future citizens, historians and scholars will not say "but he wasn't thrown out". Rather they will shake their heads at a POTUS who holds himself above the law and the interests of the country each and every minute.
 
Old 12-05-2019, 10:53 AM
 
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And thousands of Confederates should have been hanged....but Lincoln and others held the Union in a higher esteem than revenge.

What would the GOP Trump/Tucker Hero Putin or Stalin do to a rebellion? Well, we don't have to ask since the proof is right before us.
So you don't mind a criminal in office as long as he does what you like?
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