White Slaves in the English New World (legal, deaths, parties)

[desertdetroiter]

So people still can’t make a distinction between chattel slavery and indenture servitude?

SMH...whatever.

[phma]

Oh boy !!! I see some reparations in my future !!!

[Pilot1]

It doesn't fit the "I'm a perpetual victim narrative" and more government dependency agenda.

Originally Posted by desertdetroiter

So people still can’t make a distinction between chattel slavery and indenture servitude?

SMH...whatever.

Then that is a distinction between types of slavery. Why not then say chattel slavery and contracted slavery or just slavery? Also, some so-called indentured servants were treated like chattel and not all Africans were enslaved for life - particularly the first ones here in 1619.

Then there is the fact that most hear the term indentured servant and think that this was just a fair and just few years of a contract made willingly by educated persons with access to adjudicate any grievances - all a bunch of BS for many of them as is clearly seen in the records. So how does being kidnapped as a youth and sent to the colony not make you say slavery?

Just a little on the back story of this nearly 100 youths.

In Aug.1618 youths started to be rounded up off the streets of London. By Feb. there were 140 of them being "held for Virginia" in the Bridewell's house of correction for children. There were 74 boys and 23 girls picked out of this group and sent to VA. They arrived by April 1619. One of the first to be picked up was one named Elizabeth Abbott who later shows up in records, in VA, as being whipped to death after numerous attempts on her part to run away only finally to die after being whipped 500 times in 1624. So how is her time in Bridewell and the transportation and America not one of slavery? But wait she was contracted and called a servant. Ok SMH!

[Cape Cod Todd]

My wife is Irish and she wants to know when reparations will be coming her way?
Her people were just as discriminated against in the early years of this country and even in the 20th century with signs reading "No Blacks, No Irish".
Irish people were also sold into slavery by the English.

I am all for reparations for slaves if there are any left alive today. They should be given an apology in a Rose Garden ceremony and handed 1 million dollars otherwise reparations is nonsense.

[cuebald]

Originally Posted by Shiloh1

I don't think time is a factor of slavery. If you are a slave for 10 years and set free that does not mean you were not a slave.

And how does being kidnapped while a youth (8-17 years old) and hauled off to the new world and forcibly contracted for a period of years, in order to give an appearance of law, not constitute slavery? The master had all the power and did what he wanted many died by beating and whippings never to see any profit for their labor. Many a master lied, cheated, manipulated the system and these slaves. And many of these crimes were vagrancy and pretty in nature - all the result of prejudiced policies by elites.

Let's put it another way - "Indenture" is a contract between two parties. Slavery is not a contractual agreement.

Do you have a source for the children who were sold as slaves?

[cuebald]

Originally Posted by Shiloh1

True, but not all and they were still slaves - why not mention them in the discussion of the first slaves? Most of the time it is solely Africans that are mentioned as the first.

Some of the Native Americans actually bought African slaves in Charleston to tend their fields. There are also more than a few documented cases of Black plantation owners who owned Black slaves. Read the book "Black Masters". It was published in Claifornia about thirty years ago.

A little taste on this kidnapping business and justice. There were headright scams as early as 1618. This is where illicit warrants were used to round up and arrest woman victims and ship them off to VA. As an example there was a clerk called Robinson who used these warrants to "take up... yeoman's daughters or drive them to compound or serve His Maj for breeders in Virginia." He was put to death - not for kidnapping but for forging the great seal.

[cuebald]

Originally Posted by Shiloh1

Just a little on the back story of this nearly 100 youths.

In Aug.1618 youths started to be rounded up off the streets of London. By Feb. there were 140 of them being "held for Virginia" in the Bridewell's house of correction for children. There were 74 boys and 23 girls picked out of this group and sent to VA. They arrived by April 1619. One of the first to be picked up was one named Elizabeth Abbott who later shows up in records, in VA, as being whipped to death after numerous attempts on her part to run away only finally to die after being whipped 500 times in 1624. So how is her time in Bridewell and the transportation and America not one of slavery? But wait she was contracted and called a servant. Ok SMH!

My post #6 addressed this. The vagrant children at Brideswell were considered to be criminals, and indeed, many of them made their living through pilferage and begging.