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Old 08-08-2021, 04:50 AM
 
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What a sad excuse of a argument.[/quote]

I read an article that a scientist estimated that he estimated that approximately 15,000 Americans have died from actual Covid alone. He broke it down why and in detail. The rest perishing simply “with covid” he used statistics of average number of deaths in other areas of how significantly they have decreased since Covid came along to determine this among other factors. Well it’s true that Covid essentially “finished off“ a lot of people used a determining factor that dying with Covid versus from Covid are still very different. Of the 600,000 that have been listed to have died? He figured 410,000 would have died by now anyhow from their already very high risk factors.

In the end he was able to figure covid statistically less deadly then the common flu.

Do I believe this? If you go to the ICU at hospitals around the country I’m just taking a general synopsis of those in the ICU, you might tend to believe the statistics are true. At least possible. The ICU units are containing the same demographics they did for decades only now people are WITH covid. Get it?

Let’s not forget that the average person that becomes infected with this disease still develops very mild or possibly not even noticeable symptoms. And let us not forget the 98% of those hospitalized are vitamin D deficient. Even with the delta variant.

 
Old 08-08-2021, 06:35 AM
 
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I guess the CDC director is a specialist in Freudian slip, first about the vaccine and then some wonder if he think the same thing about vaccine passports.
https://www.zerohedge.com/covid-19/d...rts-are-futile

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They are just making up narratives now, and the media are not calling them out on it….

The Director of the CDC made an important admission during an interview today on CNN. CDC Director Rochelle Walensky stated the vaccine does not prevent COVID-19 infection, nor does it stop the vaccinated person from transmitting the infection or the delta variant.

According to Director Walensky, the only benefit from the vaccine now is presumably that it reduces the severity of symptoms.

If a vaccinated and non-vaccinated person have the same capacity to carry, shed and transmit the virus – with or without symptoms – then what difference does a vaccination passport or vaccination ID make?
 
Old 08-08-2021, 06:40 AM
 
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I read an article that a scientist estimated that he estimated that approximately 15,000 Americans have died from actual Covid alone.
Baloney. Someone is obese and dies from a heart attack. They really did not die of a heart attack? When you don't take care of yourself or are older you are more susceptible of dying from all sorts of things. Your life expectancy goes down. It comes down to eventually something will take you out. Covid is no exception. Somehow some people want special rules for covid. Unless you are in perfect health and young then you can't die from covid.

How about car accidents? Say you are driving your 95 yo grand ma ma to her doctors appointment. Someone smashes into you. You are fine but grandma dies in the accident. The force of the accident is too much for her frail body. Do we not count her as an accident victim? Certainly her age and health played into dying in the accident.

How about the flu? Healthy people generally don't die from the flu. Should we now say almost no one dies of the flu? Certainly almost all have something else that contributed to their deaths.

Life expectancy dropped by a year and a half in America last year. One million excess deaths. Clearly these were not people about to die anyways. And that is not counting the 1 in 5 who have long hauler issues.

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Old 08-08-2021, 06:42 AM
 
Location: Home, Home on the Front Range
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What a sad excuse of a argument.

I read an article that a scientist estimated that he estimated that approximately 15,000 Americans have died from actual Covid alone. He broke it down why and in detail. The rest perishing simply “with covid” he used statistics of average number of deaths in other areas of how significantly they have decreased since Covid came along to determine this among other factors. Well it’s true that Covid essentially “finished off“ a lot of people used a determining factor that dying with Covid versus from Covid are still very different. Of the 600,000 that have been listed to have died? He figured 410,000 would have died by now anyhow from their already very high risk factors.

In the end he was able to figure covid statistically less deadly then the common flu.

Do I believe this? If you go to the ICU at hospitals around the country I’m just taking a general synopsis of those in the ICU, you might tend to believe the statistics are true. At least possible. The ICU units are containing the same demographics they did for decades only now people are WITH covid. Get it?

Let’s not forget that the average person that becomes infected with this disease still develops very mild or possibly not even noticeable symptoms. And let us not forget the 98% of those hospitalized are vitamin D deficient. Even with the delta variant.
And I read an article about a coroner who agreed to not list Covid as the cause of death at the family’s request, even if it was the cause of death.

Anyway, this is just so awful and sad, particularly since it could have been prevented.

“A Jacksonville church pastor said in the last 10 days, six of his church members have died from COVID-19, and more of their members are currently in the hospital.


“In the last 10 days, we have had six members of our church who passed away from COVID. Four of them were under the age of 35. All of them were healthy, and the only thing they had in common was they were not vaccinated,” he said.
He says 15 to 20 members are now in the hospital, another 10 or so are at home with the virus and three to five vaccinated members also tested positive.“

https://www.news4jax.com/news/local/...9-pastor-says/
 
Old 08-08-2021, 06:57 AM
 
Location: NMB, SC
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Originally Posted by NCSweettea View Post
What a sad excuse of a argument

I read an article that a scientist estimated that he estimated that approximately 15,000 Americans have died from actual Covid alone. He broke it down why and in detail. The rest perishing simply “with covid” he used statistics of average number of deaths in other areas of how significantly they have decreased since Covid came along to determine this among other factors. Well it’s true that Covid essentially “finished off“ a lot of people used a determining factor that dying with Covid versus from Covid are still very different. Of the 600,000 that have been listed to have died? He figured 410,000 would have died by now anyhow from their already very high risk factors.

In the end he was able to figure covid statistically less deadly then the common flu.

Do I believe this? If you go to the ICU at hospitals around the country I’m just taking a general synopsis of those in the ICU, you might tend to believe the statistics are true. At least possible. The ICU units are containing the same demographics they did for decades only now people are WITH covid. Get it?

Let’s not forget that the average person that becomes infected with this disease still develops very mild or possibly not even noticeable symptoms. And let us not forget the 98% of those hospitalized are vitamin D deficient. Even with the delta variant.
The CDC did a breakdown of deaths.
Only 5% died with only covid
95% had underlying conditions and covid (80% of that 95% were overweight/obese)

What I got from that is the biggest risk to covid turning serious is having underlying conditions especially being overweight/obese.
 
Old 08-08-2021, 07:03 AM
 
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The CDC did a breakdown of deaths.
Only 5% died with only covid
95% had underlying conditions and covid (80% of that 95% were overweight/obese)

What I got from that is the biggest risk to covid turning serious is having underlying conditions especially being overweight/obese.

90% of people with Type II diabetes are obese or overweight. Covid is just one more reason not to be fat. Saying that I am about to go on a long morning bike ride. Being healthy has lots of benefits.
 
Old 08-08-2021, 07:21 AM
 
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Originally Posted by NCSweettea View Post
What a sad excuse of a argument.
I read an article that a scientist estimated that he estimated that approximately 15,000 Americans have died from actual Covid alone. He broke it down why and in detail. The rest perishing simply “with covid” he used statistics of average number of deaths in other areas of how significantly they have decreased since Covid came along to determine this among other factors. Well it’s true that Covid essentially “finished off“ a lot of people used a determining factor that dying with Covid versus from Covid are still very different. Of the 600,000 that have been listed to have died? He figured 410,000 would have died by now anyhow from their already very high risk factors.

In the end he was able to figure covid statistically less deadly then the common flu.

Do I believe this? If you go to the ICU at hospitals around the country I’m just taking a general synopsis of those in the ICU, you might tend to believe the statistics are true. At least possible. The ICU units are containing the same demographics they did for decades only now people are WITH covid. Get it?

Let’s not forget that the average person that becomes infected with this disease still develops very mild or possibly not even noticeable symptoms. And let us not forget the 98% of those hospitalized are vitamin D deficient. Even with the delta variant.[/quote]

Yet another person that does not understand what EXCESS deaths means.
 
Old 08-08-2021, 08:25 AM
 
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Dick Farrel, former host on Newsmax, was a far-right, anti-vaxer nutjob who called Dr Fauci a "lying freak" and said the CDC was not to be trusted.

Dick Farrel died of COVID-19 on Wednesday.

after spending months pushing anti-vax propaganda on conservative radio talk shows, saying "nobody should take the vaccine," Dick Farrel, on his death bed, pleaded with his family and friends to get the vaccine.

How many more dumb people have to die before conservatives across the country wake up and get the vaccine?

https://www.thedailybeast.com/anti-v...of-coronavirus

https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/....co/XNNEZte181
 
Old 08-08-2021, 08:29 AM
 
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Dick Farrel, former host on Newsmax, was a far-right, anti-vaxer nutjob who called Dr Fauci a "lying freak" and said the CDC was not to be trusted.

Dick Farrel died of COVID-19 on Wednesday.

after spending months pushing anti-vax propaganda on conservative radio talk shows, saying "nobody should take the vaccine," Dick Farrel, on his death bed, pleased with his family and friends to get the vaccine.

How many more dumb people have to die before conservatives across the country wake up and get the vaccine?

https://www.thedailybeast.com/anti-v...of-coronavirus

https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/....co/XNNEZte181
This seems to be the theme song, pleading with family and friends to not do what they did, for many of the unvaccinated who are losing their lives. Tragic.
 
Old 08-08-2021, 09:21 AM
 
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I read an article that a scientist estimated that he estimated that approximately 15,000 Americans have died from actual Covid alone. He broke it down why and in detail. The rest perishing simply “with covid” he used statistics of average number of deaths in other areas of how significantly they have decreased since Covid came along to determine this among other factors. Well it’s true that Covid essentially “finished off“ a lot of people used a determining factor that dying with Covid versus from Covid are still very different. Of the 600,000 that have been listed to have died? He figured 410,000 would have died by now anyhow from their already very high risk factors.

In the end he was able to figure covid statistically less deadly then the common flu.

Do I believe this? If you go to the ICU at hospitals around the country I’m just taking a general synopsis of those in the ICU, you might tend to believe the statistics are true. At least possible. The ICU units are containing the same demographics they did for decades only now people are WITH covid. Get it?

Let’s not forget that the average person that becomes infected with this disease still develops very mild or possibly not even noticeable symptoms. And let us not forget the 98% of those hospitalized are vitamin D deficient. Even with the delta variant.

Yet another person that does not understand what EXCESS deaths means.
I somehow messed this up. Only the last sentence is mine!
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