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It is certainly being taken very seriously here in NSW because it is affecting every part of our lives in a way it has not before. We have been in a degree of lockdown in Sydney since late June yet the number of cases today, over 1200, is the highest ever recorded in any part of the country. Our lives have been taken over by figuring out the ever changing regulations, abiding by them, and if not already, finding a way to be vaccinated. Of eight million residents in our state, one million got a jab last week.
But…talk to friends in Queensland, the state to our north, and at this stage they have controlled and kept out Delta. Their vaccination rate is 15% below ours and they see no urgency. A friend said that she had had both jabs, one son had but the other was too tired from work etc. Would get around to it sooner or later.
I suppose people become complacent when the situation does not affect their day to day lives or they have become used to the situation they are in. We were all complacent in June in Sydney. Life was all but normal, live theatre was operating, restaurants full. No masks needed except for certain key health and border staff, vaccination roll out still at an early stage. Not a Covid death in the country for six months.
Then a single case of Delta brought in by a FedEx freight crew, aided by a complacent limo driver, has grown to send our two biggest states and now New Zealand into lockdown, kill over a hundred people, put the jobs of many and the education of our children on hold.
We are shaken out of complacency. But now that it is increasingly likely that we will have to learn to live with the virus, I expect we will drift back into it.
Thank you for the irrelevant information. The vaccination status of hospitalized is known.
It is, when they count one number for vaccinated and another for unvaccinated. Sure, apples to oranges is a fair comparison; meanwhile other countries that don't take the same manipulated sample as us are showing the vast majority of deaths and hospitalizations are vaccinated people. But nobody wants to know or hear that.
How can anyone WANT to enter a store or any indoor environment during an airborne viral pandemic without a mask on is beyond me.
The masks were never intended to provide the wearer any protection, certainly not from a virus that flies thru all the spaces between the average mask wearer. This is why NIOSH (part of CDC) have established a mask efficacy (effectiveness) standard. Mask performance is always a consideration before you begin wearing a mask. Maybe people feel (psychologically) safer wearing a mask, even when driving solo with windows up.
It doesn't matter though. That decision is solely theirs to make, they are entitled to make it, with or without a reason, and OP is NOT entitled to an explanation, nor are they even entitled to know.
That's my stance on it too. I actually believe that the vaccine is less of a risk than contracting the virus (but especially so to high risk people). It appears to me that there is a very marginal risk to getting the vaccine. Health professional who says there is NO risk when getting the vaccine are factually lying to you and you should run far, far away from these folks.
Whatever is the case, as long as someone is not committing a crime, the government shouldn't be forcing something on anyone no matter how irrational they want to be. It's their choice. I personally do think they're being a bit overly cautious about the vaccine and I tell people pretty much that when I give the vaccine to these people where I work. But again, it's their choice.
I'm aware how much the government already does along these lines, but like I said that doesn't mean it's okay to give them more intrusion into people's lives. They won't get out is the problem. Government intrusion has turned this country into something light years away from what it was when it was founded. Our country's founders would be turning in their graves if they knew that what they've fought and sacrificed their lives for has turned into all this unconstitutional action by the government. It's not the same country. The land of the "free" is crumbling and the freedom still left will by bits and piece-meal actions by the government be eventually all taken away. It's a very sad state and I wish I was more on my way out (80 instead of 40) so I definitely do not have to live to see the "final" results. Hopefully they won't be in my lifetime, but it very well could be.
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Personally, I approach covid risk as 'Yes the risk is acceptable to me, now **** off and leave me alone.' A lot of people are just sick and tired of the constant barrage of fear porn and just want to be left alone.
I'm just about at the same opinion. I understand there is a risk of contracting this virus. I feel it is a small enough risk for me to not take major precautions. I explained to the poster who couldn't understand how anyone could go into a store without a mask during this pandemic--is it clearer now to him or her? I think it is how a good percentage of people feel about it. The risk is a marginal one.
And once again, if you are someone who does not understand that the media generates fear you factually are very naive in this area. Please get that propaganda out of the way you rationally think and consider the situation without it, if you are able to. You will come to the understanding that for most people, there is a very marginal risk of dying or having major complications from this covid virus.
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Wait: did someone write that the vaccines don't prevent the spread of infection? That's not even marginally plausible. Wow.
But back on topic: in my 71 years no one has ever accused me of cowardice or stupidity. Except in anonymous forums.
Anyone who wrote that really doesn't understand how vaccines prevent the spread of illness. They should consult with a medical professional (doctor, pharmacist) and get their misunderstanding cleared up.
At 71 you would be in that high risk category of having death/major complications result from contracting the virus (a significant risk of this occurring). It is a good idea for you to take major precautions. To go about your everyday life like there is no fear of anything out there happening to you would in fact be pretty foolish in your situation.
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I will repeat what I've said elsewhere: I think you should know the age and medical history of someone before you recommend some course of action. I'm glad you're very low risk and I hope you'll be fine. But I'm 71, with several serious medical issues. My doctor told me if I contracted COVID I would probably not survive.
I'm 73 and have been unvaccinated since covid began. I should have caught it because I was under serious circumstances that put me at risk but, I didn't get it. I always wear a mask when I go into any store, don't enter any crowded stores, nor do I eat inside any restaurants. I am very careful about hand washing, santizing, etc. I don't sit in the house terrified that I will get covid, but go about my daily business and make choices that, hopefully, will protect me. There are no guarantees in this life for anything. You have to live life as it is.
I have friends that are also my age, and unvaccinated, but, go everywhere and do exactly what they want. One of them has a lot of health issues yet, neither of them has caught covid. They do wear masks and hand wash but, other than that, they do anything they want.
I didn't know anyone with covid until this week. Three people I know from the same family were unvaccinated and 2 of them ended up in the hospital on ventilators. The third one had a lot of health issues, but didn't require hospitalization. The only family member that did not get covid was vaccinated. All of this happened within a span of 2 days.
When this happened, against my better judgment, I decided to get vaccinated. My opinion about the vaccines has not changed and, I feel like a hypocrite after taking it.
I did not want the vaccine because it's experimental. I wasn't happy because of the way the CDC, etc. was giving information to the public about covid, the vaccines, etc. Every day the advice changed. I like dealing with facts but, unfortunately, there are no facts. I took the Pfizer vaccine but, am now hearing that it was not "really" approved by FDA so, who knows what's really going on. I made a decision, right or wrong, and now I have to live with the consequences.
Because an institution a lot of people no longer trust - the government and MSM - are pushing the Sky is Falling(TM) narrative way too hard, lying, and withholding material information from them. It's a case of the Government Bureaucrat who cried wolf too many times. When the drum gets beat too many times, people stop ignoring the narrative.
See above. The unvaccinated are being portrayed as selfish and evil and wanting to kill babies and grandma even though the vaccines don't prevent spread. They've already done their risk assessment and decided that risk > reward on the vaccines, as they're entitled to do. There are zealots in MSM and government also that won't take No for an answer. No means NO. When this happens people dig in their heels.
...or cut off their noses to spite their face.
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