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Old 03-04-2020, 06:36 PM
 
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The first way they lie is by ignoring the obvious differences between small homogeneous countries of 5-10 million people and a large diverse country of 340 million people with all sorts of competing interests. But a more obvious lie is that socialism worked in Scandinavia. At one point during the global rise of collectivism Scandinavia actually was a socialist place. The results: ZERO jobs created and a complete hault of innovation coming from the region between the 1960s and 1990s. It wasn’t until they cut government spending by 40% and privatized large portions of their economies they started growing and innovating again. Another lie is that they have some sort of progressive tax code, they don’t, they have the most regressive taxes on earth. They have LARGE national sales taxes and high minimum taxes on their poor and working class. The US tax code is easily one of the most progressive tax codes on earth. Whereas the Scandinavian taxes are SUPER regressive. If we tried to implement their tax code every politician would be voted out. Don’t fall for the socialism lie people it largely has resulted in poverty, starvation, dictators, and regression worldwide. It is an ideology that is largely discredited.
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Old 03-04-2020, 06:38 PM
 
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The left is fixated on Scandinavia because it matches American progressives' white skin color.
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Old 03-04-2020, 06:44 PM
 
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Only countries where everyone has a gray disposition and no lottery-mentality can make socialism and capitalism mesh.

The Scandinavians ploddingly carry on.
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Old 03-04-2020, 06:49 PM
 
Location: Kansas City, MISSOURI
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The first way they lie is by ignoring the obvious differences between small homogeneous countries of 5-10 million people and a large diverse country of 340 million people with all sorts of competing interests. But a more obvious lie is that socialism worked in Scandinavia. At one point during the global rise of collectivism Scandinavia actually was a socialist place. The results: ZERO jobs created and a complete hault of innovation coming from the region between the 1960s and 1990s....
How many more times does the right have to make things up to try to make their point? It looks like a lot!

To wit: Sweden's GDP growth was actually a little higher in the 60's and 70's than it is now!
https://www.macrotrends.net/countrie...dp-growth-rate
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Old 03-04-2020, 06:53 PM
 
Location: Kansas City, MISSOURI
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Denmark is even more obvious:
https://data.worldbank.org/indicator...alue_desc=true

From the early 60's until the present you see a clear downward trend in GDP growth.

And the same for Norway:
https://www.macrotrends.net/countrie...dp-growth-rate

Every one of those countries grew the fastest back in the 60's when they were the most "socialist."
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Old 03-04-2020, 06:56 PM
 
Location: Santa Monica
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Why does a "homogeneous" population matter?
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Old 03-04-2020, 06:57 PM
 
Location: Kansas City, MISSOURI
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From War to the Swedish Model
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In the beginning, the “Swedish model” appeared to work very well. From the early 1950s to the late 1960s, the annual growth of the entire world economy was between four and five per cent and Sweden was one of the most successful Western nations of this era. Between 1960 and 1965, the economy reached its peak with a yearly GPD growth average of 5.3 per cent and a productivity growth average of 5.6 per cent per year.

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The unemployment rate went down just after the war and was extraordinary low, around two per cent, during the 1950s and 1960s.
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Old 03-04-2020, 06:57 PM
 
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How many more times does the right have to make things up to try to make their point? It looks like a lot!

To wit: Sweden's GDP growth was actually a little higher in the 60's and 70's than it is now!
https://www.macrotrends.net/countrie...dp-growth-rate
Angry Birds, Spotify, budget retail, and sleek tank artillery.

North Korea grew faster than South Korea too, after armistice, until it didn't.
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Old 03-04-2020, 07:01 PM
 
Location: Florida
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The first way they lie is by ignoring the obvious differences between small homogeneous countries of 5-10 million people and a large diverse country of 340 million people with all sorts of competing interests. But a more obvious lie is that socialism worked in Scandinavia. At one point during the global rise of collectivism Scandinavia actually was a socialist place. The results: ZERO jobs created and a complete hault of innovation coming from the region between the 1960s and 1990s. It wasn’t until they cut government spending by 40% and privatized large portions of their economies they started growing and innovating again. Another lie is that they have some sort of progressive tax code, they don’t, they have the most regressive taxes on earth. They have LARGE national sales taxes and high minimum taxes on their poor and working class. The US tax code is easily one of the most progressive tax codes on earth. Whereas the Scandinavian taxes are SUPER regressive. If we tried to implement their tax code every politician would be voted out. Don’t fall for the socialism lie people it largely has resulted in poverty, starvation, dictators, and regression worldwide. It is an ideology that is largely discredited.
Its actually the pseudo-conservatives here in US who (for decades) have insisted Nordic countries are socialist, while others keep telling them there is a difference between socialism, and Nordic style Social Democracies. Its only now that their eyes are opening the truth. Even Sanders pushes for Nordic style system, but people scream "SOCIALISM".

Either way, Nordic style won't work in US, since it can only work when vast majority of people demand it, and that is not the case in US.

Their tax rates are progressive, - the more you make, the more you pay. If you argue the VAT makes them regressive, then it devolves into word games.
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Old 03-04-2020, 07:07 PM
 
Location: Foot of the Rockies
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Why does a "homogeneous" population matter?
They are all (mostly) on the same page, similar values.
Some interesting stats:
https://www.dailycamera.com/2020/02/...avian-fantasy/
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