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Old 03-10-2020, 10:27 AM
 
Location: Morrison, CO
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Originally Posted by Goodnight View Post
I’m not the one promoting violence that would be these supposed militia members laying in wait for the opportunity to attack our tyrannical goverment. The poster I was responding claimed that was the reason they needed all these weapons.

Where are these militias and militia members? I've owned firearms and have belonged to several gun clubs and shooting ranges for decades, and never saw any of them.
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Old 03-10-2020, 10:28 AM
 
Location: San Diego
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Who said "the founders were looking to arm the populace"?

Note I haven't read all zillion pages in this thread, but I seriously doubt anyone actually wrote that.
Typical troll tactic. Make up something that nobody ever said, pretend somebody said it, and then bash them for it.
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Old 03-10-2020, 10:39 AM
 
Location: Lone Mountain Las Vegas NV
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TRANSLATION: I don't support the 2nd at all.
More right wing BS.

I support the second until we, the people of the US, decide that there is a better approach. That is unlikely in the immediate future though we may eventually tire of the false interpretation of the second now being made. When an alternative with large support is presented I will consider it. But even in that case it will depend on what that proposition is before I decide between it and the present second. There is virtually no possibility that I will live long enough to see this go down so I am with the current second for the rest of my life.
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Old 03-10-2020, 10:44 AM
 
Location: Morrison, CO
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More right wing BS.

I support the second until we, the people of the US, decide that there is a better approach. That is unlikely in the immediate future though we may eventually tire of the false interpretation of the second now being made. When an alternative with large support is presented I will consider it. But even in that case it will depend on what that proposition is before I decide between it and the present second. There is virtually no possibility that I will live long enough to see this go down so I am with the current second for the rest of my life.
You have to admit that many on the Left, especially Democrat politicians, SAY they support the Second Amendment then proceed to push every and any INFRINGEMENT upon it they can think of. So, essentially they are lying to get the sound bite out, and then proceed to violate the Constitution.


If most people want law abiding citizens to be disarmed, they must amend the Constitution. It has been done several times before, and if enough people want the Second Amendment repealed, or modified, they can do it.
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Old 03-10-2020, 10:51 AM
 
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Written in a time when they did not have a standing army of any significance, now we spend one almost trillion dollars and have a few million soldiers. They had a few hundred soldiers back in 1790, quite different than today.


The words militia and well regulated are key because they did not want a standing army.
but "the right of the people....shall not be infringed" is OPERATIVE.
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Old 03-10-2020, 10:53 AM
 
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More right wing BS.

I support the second until we, the people of the US, decide that there is a better approach. That is unlikely in the immediate future though we may eventually tire of the false interpretation of the second now being made. When an alternative with large support is presented I will consider it. But even in that case it will depend on what that proposition is before I decide between it and the present second. There is virtually no possibility that I will live long enough to see this go down so I am with the current second for the rest of my life.


Translation: i hate guns and the second amendment.
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Old 03-10-2020, 10:54 AM
 
Location: Lone Mountain Las Vegas NV
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You have to admit that many on the Left, especially Democrat politicians, SAY they support the Second Amendment then proceed to push every and any INFRINGEMENT upon it they can think of. So, essentially they are lying to get the sound bite out, and then proceed to violate the Constitution.


If most people want law abiding citizens to be disarmed, they must amend the Constitution. It has been done several times before, and if enough people want the Second Amendment repealed, or modified, they can do it.
Again the present interpretation is absurd. That is the grand conspiracy. The right, the NRA, the USSC are all playing the game that the second does not say what it plainly says. And the rationale is that the second would not survive if interpreted as it was intended.

And in making this interpretation they open up the amendment for alternate interpretation by the left and others opposed to the present second.

So we are fighting the battle of competing misinterpretations. And my view is that this will continue for a long time. We will not accept what it really says but will fight it out over which misinterpretation to accept.
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Old 03-10-2020, 10:58 AM
 
Location: San Diego
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"A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed."

In modern language it would read:

"Since an armed and capable populace is necessary for security and freedom, the right of ordinary people to own and carry guns and other such weapons cannot be restricted or taken away."
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Old 03-10-2020, 10:58 AM
 
Location: Lone Mountain Las Vegas NV
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Translation: i hate guns and the second amendment.
Still more right wing BS.

I am a reasonably good shot with long gun or pistol. And I have no objection to the ownership of either.
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Old 03-10-2020, 11:28 AM
 
Location: The Republic of Texas
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I am a moderate Democrat. A little liberal on some items but mostly toward the center.

I support the second amendment until such time as we really are ready to minimize gun ownership and regulate usage. I prefer the second to anything seriously proposed.

Here is the problem... My rights do not come from you and certainly not government. You people can ONLY try to limit, restrict, or completely deny my rights... You can damn sure try.


The 9th Amendment is the common natural right to the enjoyment of life and liberty, it is one of the fundamental or natural Rights, which has been protected by its inclusion as a guarantee in the various constitutions, which is not derived from, or dependent on, the U.S. Constitution, which may not be submitted to a vote and may not depend on the outcome of an election. It is one of the most sacred and valuable Rights, as sacred as the Right to private property...and is regarded as inalienable."
My 2nd Amendment tells you, I am justified in killing those that infringe on my rights. All forms of oppression of my person.
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