Coronavirus - Pittsburgh news (injection, conservatives, drug, healthcare)

[JDFury]

Originally Posted by PghSportsGuy420

I wonder if the hot take artists like this guy are going to come back and post about what a resounding success reopening was.

Oh, they'll be back. And then you'll learn that the goalposts have not only moved, they'll have turned in to golf holes.

[Enough_Already]

Originally Posted by Copanut

You can choose not to take opioids.

You can choose to lock yourself in...


This virus is not a big problem except a couple groups and those groups are easy to protect.

[Enough_Already]

Originally Posted by PghPatriot

Actually, if you look nationally that's not true.


The latest data from 2018 regarding drug overdose deaths (of all kinds) is 67,367. If we look at just opioids, that number is 14,975, and synthetic narcotics (mainly Fentanyl) was 31,355.


https://www.drugabuse.gov/drug-topic...se-death-rates


We're already at 119,318 COVID-19 deaths, and we're barely 1/2 way through the year.


https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid19/index.htm




To sum up


All of 2018: 14,975 opioid deaths
So far 2019: 119,318 COVID deaths

I don't live in the entire country, I live here. You cannot apply the statistics of the whole country to a specific area. Also over 40% of those deaths happened in nursing homes not the general public.

[Enough_Already]

Originally Posted by PghPatriot

Sorry, you're right. Hopefully with the bars closing we're able to stem the tide and not become out of control like the south is doing now.

And ruin people's lives, futures, and dreams in the process.

[PghSportsGuy420]

Originally Posted by Enough_Already

You can choose to lock yourself in...


This virus is not a big problem except a couple groups and those groups are easy to protect.

More Americans have died from this disease in a hair over four months than died in all of World War One, what exactly is a “big problem” in your book?

Once hospitals are overwhelmed, as is happening now in Florida, Texas, and Arizona, it becomes everyone’s problem as normally treatable conditions like a strokes, car crash injuries, etc can’t be treated due to a lack of capacity.

Remember, a 1% fatality rate at 70% of Americans infected is still 2.3m Americans dead, which would be by far the largest mass casualty event in American history.

We’re stunningly innumerate in this country.

[Enough_Already]

Originally Posted by PghSportsGuy420

More Americans have died from this disease in a hair over four months than died in all of World War One, what exactly is a “big problem” in your book?

Once hospitals are overwhelmed, as is happening now in Florida, Texas, and Arizona, it becomes everyone’s problem as normally treatable conditions like a strokes, car crash injuries, etc can’t be treated due to a lack of capacity.

Remember, a 1% fatality rate at 70% of Americans infected is still 2.3m Americans dead, which would be by far the largest mass casualty event in American history.

We’re stunningly innumerate in this country.

The lock down is a problem for people with chronic conditions because they cannot get in-person appointments with the doctors. If you would look at the statistics in detail you would find those fatalities are mainly people over 80. This virus is not killing the average person. Over 40% of the deaths have happened in nursing homes and Wolf and Cuomo played a big role in tens of thousands of those. We can protect the vulnerable without ruining the lives, futures and dreams of the society. For most of the population this virus is about as deadly as the flu. Instead of protecting the nursing homes we dumped infected people there killing tens of thousands.



A tiny percentage of people have been infected in Allegheny County and the number of deaths is infinitesimal compared to the population.

[PghSportsGuy420]

Originally Posted by Enough_Already

The lock down is a problem for people with chronic conditions because they cannot get in-person appointments with the doctors.

Know what else is a problem for people with chronic conditions? Being in an ICU for fourteen days and dying from a respiratory illness.

If you would look at the statistics in detail you would find those fatalities are mainly people over 80.

You can feel free to post those statistics, then?

This virus is not killing the average person.

It doesn't NEED to kill the average person to cause mass disruptions. You're looking at everything in relation to this virus in a vacuum, with no causation or causality. Once you flood hospitals, every day maladies become more dangerous for EVERYONE.

Over 40% of the deaths have happened in nursing homes and Wolf and Cuomo played a big role in tens of thousands of those.

Can you tell us about how Tom Wolf killed nursing home residents, now?

We can protect the vulnerable without ruining the lives, futures and dreams of the society. For most of the population this virus is about as deadly as the flu.

The events of the weeks following June 5th say otherwise.

Instead of protecting the nursing homes we dumped infected people there killing tens of thousands.

This is a lie, by the way. I've seen this all over the place.

No one dumped infected people into nursing homes. Nursing home residents were discharged back into nursing homes from hospitals, because you know, they live there. The failure was on the part of the wretched for-profit nursing home industry that failed to protect their residents.

A tiny percentage of people have been infected in Allegheny County and the number of deaths is infinitesimal compared to the population.

A tiny percentage of people in America have been infected, and the number of deaths is still higher than we've suffered in every war after WW2 combined in a mere four months. Do you seriously not understand a game of low percentages extrapolated over a population of hundreds of millions?

[szug-bot]

Originally Posted by Enough_Already

...If you would look at the statistics in detail you would find those fatalities are mainly people over 80. This virus is not killing the average person. ....For most of the population this virus is about as deadly as the flu. Instead of protecting the nursing homes we dumped infected people there killing tens of thousands.

A tiny percentage of people have been infected in Allegheny County and the number of deaths is infinitesimal compared to the population.

but its the transmission - some people could even be infected, but with just minor ailments. they are still carriers, though, constantly spreading it. your stats may be accurate, but one point is the putting of others at risk. its the responsibility of all to not allow our personal behaviour to have detrimental effects on others.

[fleetiebelle]

Originally Posted by PghSportsGuy420

No one dumped infected people into nursing homes. Nursing home residents were discharged back into nursing homes from hospitals, because you know, they live there. The failure was on the part of the wretched for-profit nursing home industry that failed to protect their residents.

Also, nursing homes aren't stereotypical insidious dumping grounds for elderly people to die in. They're called nursing homes because they're used to nurse people back to health. Often people will spend time in a nursing home after a surgery or illness because they have a professional staff and health care resources. If some COVID patients went to nursing homes to recover to take pressure off of hospitals, that's not necessarily a conspiracy.

[PghPatriot]

Originally Posted by Enough_Already

And ruin people's lives, futures, and dreams in the process.

I guess I put actual literal lives above dreams in terms of importance, but that's just me.