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Trump appointee Gorsuch wrote the majority opinion.
Even Trump appointee Kavanaugh added this in his dissent: "Notwithstanding my concern about the Court’s transgression of the Constitution’s separation of powers, it is appropriate to acknowledge the important victory achieved today by gay and lesbian Americans. Millions of gay and lesbian Americans have worked hard for many decades to achieve equal treatment in fact and in law. They have exhibited extraordinary vision, tenacity, and grit—battling often steep odds in the legislative and judicial arenas, not to mention in their daily lives. They have advanced powerful policy arguments and can take pride in today’s result."
I think SCOTUS has realized that it needs to show independence from Trump unless it wants to lose all credibility. Just like Esper and General Milley finally standing up to him when he tried to engage them in fighting against US citizens they're all fleeing the sinking ship.
BREAKING: Major win for LGBT rights at #SCOTUS with 6-3 decision that federal law bars workplace discrimination against gays, lesbian and transgender. GORSUCH writes for Dem appointees. ROBERTS agrees. ALITO/THOMAS/KAVANAUGH dissent.
Is it? Or is this just another feel good thing? Employers are going to discriminate. This is just another one of those things they won't openly discriminate about, but they'll still do it. You can't legislate thought.
Firing gays for being gay just became illegal in Montana, Idaho, Arizona, Alaska, Wyoming, North Dakota, South Dakota, Kansas, Oklahoma, Texas, Louisiana, Arkansas, Mississippi, Alabama, Georgia, Florida, South Carolina, Tennessee, North Carolina, Missouri, West Virginia, Kentucky, and Ohio.
Firing the transgender for being transgender just became illegal in Montana, Idaho, Arizona, Alaska, Wyoming, North Dakota, South Dakota, Kansas, Oklahoma, Texas, Louisiana, Arkansas, Mississippi, Alabama, Georgia, Florida, South Carolina, Tennessee, North Carolina, Missouri, West Virginia, Indiana and Wisconsin.
I certainly don't want a man turned woman teaching at my elementary school. I hope the employers still have their freedom in hiring, even though it potentially paves way for the "Social justice" discrimination law suits against them.
It is now illegal to refuse to employ someone due to their LGBT status. The teacher described above wouldn't be LEGALLY excluded from being hired for their LGBT status and wouldn't be LEGALLY fired for this reason either.
Is it? Or is this just another feel good thing? Employers are going to discriminate. This is just another one of those things they won't openly discriminate about, but they'll still do it. You can't legislate thought.
Yes. As every aging employee in Corporate America can attest to.
That said, they will have to work a little harder at it and they can be sued.
Is it? Or is this just another feel good thing? Employers are going to discriminate. This is just another one of those things they won't openly discriminate about, but they'll still do it. You can't legislate thought.
So that's a reason not to legislate it? It's the same thing with discriminating against disabled people, if they show up for an interview in a wheelchair you just screen them out and I'm not so naive that I don't expect that to happen to LGBTQ people, but in this case Gerald Bostock had been hired and was doing his job to the satisfaction of his employer (Clayton County Georgia) until he was fired after a co-worker revealed that he was on a gay softball team. That is why this is not just a 'feel good thing'
I certainly don't want a man turned woman teaching at my elementary school. I hope the employers still have their freedom in hiring, even though it potentially paves way for the "Social justice" discrimination law suits against them.
How would you know that it's a "man turned woman"? That's just silly no one does an examination of a persons genitals when they hire them, so you probably should get a grip and realize that there are trans people teaching school right now and no child has been harmed by them.
So that's a reason not to legislate it? It's the same thing with discriminating against disabled people, if they show up for an interview in a wheelchair you just screen them out and I'm not so naive that I don't expect that to happen to LGBTQ people, but in this case Gerald Bostock had been hired and was doing his job to the satisfaction of his employer (Clayton County Georgia) until he was fired after a co-worker revealed that he was on a gay softball team. That is why this is not just a 'feel good thing'
While the poster you're responding to is correct, the real reason it shouldnt be legislated is because what happens between two people while voluntarily negotiating agreements with one another is that it is none of the govts business.
Is it? Or is this just another feel good thing? Employers are going to discriminate. This is just another one of those things they won't openly discriminate about, but they'll still do it. You can't legislate thought.
Some will, yes.
Most won't.
Most will seek to maximize profits, and exposing themselves to costly lawsuits is going to be far more detrimental than their petty rejection of talent because of orientation or transgenderism ever was.
More to the point, your suggestion - that such a law will have no effect and so is not worthy or irrelevant - is nonsense.
People speed. Espionage happens. People steal. Rape happens. People murder. You're aware that all of those things are illegal, right? I wonder if you fail to grasp the concept of deterrence, or if you're just reaching for some spin to dismiss a just and decent ruling that makes you unhappy.
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One place that comes to mind that has the right to deny a person a job because they choose to be transgender, might be a church that by this person displaying their choice to be that way - and many religious people believe it is a choice - and it goes against their religious convictions/beleifs, that person might not be able to work there, if their lifestyle choices are against the moral standards of the church. Since the church has to employ people who follow their religious beliefs, then that person might just be naturally not right for the job.
is this discrimination or is it that the transgender is refusing to follow the moral code of the church, maybe the church would have to say to all future employees - a list of regulations that they must adhere to in order to be employed. if transgenerism is not allowed, then this would state they cant be an employee.
so in other words, when a company has a duty to display certain moral practices and beliefs, then they are going to have a problem with people they consider immoral to work there. there might be other institutions like Christian colleges with the same concerns. And rightly so.
For example, a church cannot let a practicing prostitute work there if they are going to continue their sex work. Or maybe the institution would not allow other kinds of people involved in morally objectionable lifestyles/habits/etc work there.
But the left despises churches and people who have faith! They'll do anything they can get away with to prove their hatred of believers!
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