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Old 06-18-2020, 04:05 PM
 
Location: SW Virginia
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It seems that slavery is usually assumed to have been rooted ONLY in the southeastern USA and ONLY imposed upon African Americans.
What many don't realize is there were still slaves in the North up until the 1860's and many of the slaves came through the Port of Rhode Island.

Slavery in the North

Slavery in Rhode Island

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Old 06-18-2020, 04:14 PM
 
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The most troubling thing about slavery isn't the fact that Africans owned and sold slaves because most of the ancient world, ( White,black, brown, yellow or red) did the same thing. The most troubling thing is why did the founding fathers come to the "new world" and adopt such an ancient and brutal system of human bondage. They claimed that they themselves had been persecuted and not free. So they established a new world settlement under God and immediately began persecuting and enslaving humans. IMO the Bible nor the constitution fully shakes outs in American society as of yet because of this.
Slavery came to the colonies which were libertarian through private venture. There just wasn't much control over what people did in the colonies. There wasn't slavery in every area. It would've been up to Britain to stop it and Britain was hands off on private venture. By the time of the Revolution and the founding fathers it was ensconced in society.
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Old 06-18-2020, 04:16 PM
 
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slavery for the most part existed until the industrial revolution, when it became more profitable to hire disposable workers
Depends on the climate and the sort of work to be done. The Brits abolished slavery (in Britain) in the 12th century. Admittedly, villeinage wasn't great, but certainly better than slavehood. Villeins could own property, and had at least some rights under the law.
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Old 06-18-2020, 05:31 PM
 
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I have not been informed of anyone in Ghana nor any Native Americans who attempted to form a nation specifically to preserve the institution of negro slavery, but if that happened, I suggest we not erect any statues commemorating their fight.

Sorted. That was easy.
Did you know that when Europeans ended the slave trade there were some African Kings and Chiefs who were upset because they were enjoying getting rich from the trade?
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Old 06-18-2020, 06:33 PM
 
Location: NY
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The most troubling thing about slavery isn't the fact that Africans owned and sold slaves because most of the ancient world, ( White,black, brown, yellow or red) did the same thing. The most troubling thing is why did the founding fathers come to the "new world" and adopt such an ancient and brutal system of human bondage. They claimed that they themselves had been persecuted and not free. So they established a new world settlement under God and immediately began persecuting and enslaving humans. IMO the Bible nor the constitution fully shakes outs in American society as of yet because of this.
Excerpt: The most troubling thing is why did the founding fathers come to the "new world" and adopt such an ancient and brutal system of human bondage.

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It has been over 100 years since slavery was abolished yet unfortunately it still exists in
some countries in Africa. I do not know if pointing the fingers at our forefathers is going to
be enough. There must come a time that the abused children of generations long ago must
come face to face and make piece with the wickedness that existed in their homeland of origin.
I wish that anger be replaced with peace.....you live longer...you live happier.
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Old 06-18-2020, 06:43 PM
 
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Muhammad owned slaves...

...next they came for the muslims
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Old 06-18-2020, 06:50 PM
 
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Did you know that when Europeans ended the slave trade there were some African Kings and Chiefs who were upset because they were enjoying getting rich from the trade?
I do not doubt it. Not exactly sure what that has to do with a debate about the Confederacy, though.
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Old 06-18-2020, 06:52 PM
 
Location: Old Dominion
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It seems that slavery is usually assumed to have been rooted ONLY in the southeastern USA and ONLY imposed upon African Americans. That is not true. Colonial Spain had a slave trade on Native Americans for hundreds of years. There was also a scalp bounty system to impose genocide at times. Mexico also had a slave trade on Apaches, Navajos, Kiowas, and Comanches. They also had the scalp bounty system to kill them off.

So it wasn't just in the southeastern USA. It's amazing how the history of Mexico's and Colonial Spain's slavery just gets ignored many times. In Mexico, the slavery lasted into the 1900s which was longer than for rural Alabama plantations.
I think anyone who paid attention in history knows this. The difference is that slavery in the Americas was a chattel slavery system that was passed down through the lineage of an enslaved person and it was based solely on race. The race based slavery system is a distinguishing quality of this form of slavery, that didn’t take place in other areas or earlier times.

While the Arab slave trade did focus on getting a lot of their slaves from the interior of Africa, they also retrieved slaves from Europe and the Caucasus region. There is a lot of anti-black racism in the Arab world and they are largely treated as second class citizens, relegated to underpaid, menial labor jobs.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.alj...519107286.html
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Old 06-18-2020, 06:58 PM
 
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I think anyone who paid attention in history knows this. The difference is that slavery in the Americas was a chattel slavery system that was passed down through the lineage of an enslaved person and it was based solely on race. The race based slavery system is a distinguishing quality of this form of slavery, that didn’t take place in other areas or earlier times.

While the Arab slave trade did focus on getting a lot of their slaves from the interior of Africa, they also retrieved slaves from Europe and the Caucasus region. There is a lot of anti-black racism in the Arab world and they are largely treated as second class citizens, relegated to underpaid, menial labor jobs.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.alj...519107286.html
It wasn't just based upon race but also free and unfree status. There were free black people even in the Old South and of course in the North and some of them even were slaveholders themselves. Would it had may it better if slavery of Indians and whites were allowed as well? I think that would've been worse to enslave your own people or the Natives like Africans and Latin Americans did at the time.
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Old 06-18-2020, 07:48 PM
 
Location: Old Dominion
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It wasn't just based upon race but also free and unfree status. There were free black people even in the Old South and of course in the North and some of them even were slaveholders themselves. Would it had may it better if slavery of Indians and whites were allowed as well? I think that would've been worse to enslave your own people or the Natives like Africans and Latin Americans did at the time.
I’m aware that there were free black people as well. Nothing you said negates what I said. I’m also aware that there were black slave owners, this doesn’t take away from the fact that one race was determined to be slaves and another was determined to be free in a racial caste system.

I know literally not every black person was a slave in the U.S., it doesn’t change the fact that they were the only ones designated to slavery in the U.S.
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