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Old 07-12-2020, 10:53 AM
 
Location: Native of Any Beach/FL
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15,000 cases in one day in Florida.

Nobody is glad for this. That's what you folks are suggesting to divert from the fact that these states are getting worse every day -- not better.

I hope this is the peak and we start seeing a turn around soon, this is not good.
They need to hold DiSantis wanna be mrT bootlicker, accountable
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Old 07-12-2020, 11:05 AM
 
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And here's the thing that you have to differentiate between New York, New Jersey, Mass and CONN...there are massive public transit systems moving people between these communities for work and play. WE don't have that in the south.
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Most everyone was off subways or trains by February 28th. I remember traveling on one where I was the only passenger.

Plus the south definitely has buses.
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Old 07-12-2020, 11:11 AM
 
Location: Buckeye, AZ
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This.... Good post.

Sure.. mistakes were made due to a bunch of factors including not being prepared and not yet learned how to treat. All contributing factors due to being early impacted...

As the tristate area struggled to get things under control, the rest of the country had an opportunity to observe.

The question that really matters is did they learn from what they observed?
Too many states didn't especially when the wave didn't come as fast. Arizona expected their peak back in late April/early May. When it didn't come it put a lot of Arizonans in a false sense of security. When bars and waterfronts reopened, many didn't wear masks or social distance. Guess what, Arizona saw rising cases. Texas, Florida and (southern) California saw similar issues.
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Old 07-12-2020, 02:12 PM
 
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Even if you discount recent infections, the Texas, Floida, Arizona deaths per infection are running far lower than New York and Jersey , Mass, anc Conn...I believe the liberals controlling these states are glad to see these death numbers so high in these Blue states while the red states are doing much better by opening up and not shutting everyone with covid together in the same house forever.
What does that mean discount recent infections? This is basic statistics and really just common sense. You cannot use active cases because you do not know the outcome. What you believe isn't relevant to the data. Being glad or not being glad isn't relevant to the data either. And red states are not doing better. Right now those red states in the middle of a surge are f*cked to the nth degree. Stay south people and wait this out.
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Old 07-12-2020, 04:10 PM
 
Location: Buckeye, AZ
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What does that mean discount recent infections? This is basic statistics and really just common sense. You cannot use active cases because you do not know the outcome. What you believe isn't relevant to the data. Being glad or not being glad isn't relevant to the data either. And red states are not doing better. Right now those red states in the middle of a surge are f*cked to the nth degree. Stay south people and wait this out.
The issue was New York and New Jersey were hit hard and fast. Few states other than Louisiana (which too is seeing an increase again, though not to the scale of the other Sunbelt states) had that initial wave unless they had a major metro area.
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Old 07-12-2020, 04:41 PM
 
Location: Decatur, GA
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I've been pointing this out for a LONG time now. From the get-go, I've mentioned numerous times that whenever I, or someone in my family, or my friends, had "corona symptoms" both before and after this mess, they got treated with an antibiotic and steroid. EVERY TIME! But "oh no! You don't know what you're talking about! Antibiotics CAN'T BE USED FOR A VIRUS!!!111!!!!ELEVENTYONE1111!!ONE!" But here we are, the results are more and more consistent that if we'd just been using the same dang treatments we've been using for literally decades, we wouldn't be in over our heads!



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I didn’t watch the video, but is it talking about treating people with inhaled steroids?

This isn’t new news.

CNN and The WHO reported this four weeks ago!

“ The widely available steroid drug dexamethasone may be key in helping to treat the sickest Covid-19 patients who require ventilation or oxygen, according to researchers in the United Kingdom.“

Their findings are preliminary, still being compiled and have not been published in a peer-reviewed journal -- but some not involved with the study called the results a breakthrough.

https://www.cnn.com/2020/06/16/healt...-bn/index.html

https://www.who.int/news-room/detail...id-19-patients

How the study was received by some U.S. medical professionals (reported June 19th):

“Following the announcement earlier this week that dexamethasone reduced mortality for severely ill COVID-19 patients in a randomized clinical trial, doctors at some US hospitals are hesitant to change treatment protocols, whereas others say they have been prescribing steroids for months already.”

https://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/932659

Is their hesitation a “liberal plot” too?
(bolding/underline mine). Not directl, but yesy. This has been a misinformation campaign. The communists that started this garbage knew how our system would react. They knew that well-off people, with good primary care physicians would be ok, but people without them, people relying on urgent cares, free clinics, and the ER as their first option, wouldn't, so numbers would grow and throw the country into a panic. Same with Europe, except instead of just a subset of the population, everyone got the bad treatment because the medical system there is completely beholden to the wishes of the government. So when their government "follows w.h.o. advice" and says "do nothing," you don't end up with some doctors that follow their experience instead of the guidance like we have, you end up with every single doctor falling in line so they aren't locked up or fined just for doing the right thing and treating people.
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Old 07-12-2020, 04:48 PM
 
Location: King County, WA
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People who believe this is some massive leftist plot seem like they are all wrapped around the axle. The virus doesn't care about your politics. It only wants to spread, and one party is doing more to spread it than the other.
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Old 07-12-2020, 05:05 PM
 
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The issue was New York and New Jersey were hit hard and fast. Few states other than Louisiana (which too is seeing an increase again, though not to the scale of the other Sunbelt states) had that initial wave unless they had a major metro area.
It's sheer stupidity at that point to not learn from crises happening in other parts of the country.
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Old 07-12-2020, 05:26 PM
 
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The issue was New York and New Jersey were hit hard and fast. Few states other than Louisiana (which too is seeing an increase again, though not to the scale of the other Sunbelt states) had that initial wave unless they had a major metro area.
Testing rates were also a lot lower during the worst of it in the Northeast, which would have made the fatality rate look higher.
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Old 07-12-2020, 05:28 PM
 
Location: Texas
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People who believe this is some massive leftist plot seem like they are all wrapped around the axle. The virus doesn't care about your politics. It only wants to spread, and one party is doing more to spread it than the other.
agree
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