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Your definition of terrorist is so watered down and vague that it is essentially worthless. Graffiti is not terrorism.
Oh come on, not graffiti, although that is a crime. They firebombed a federal building. They attacked police with lasers to blind them, with hammers, rocks, bricks, and arson. They keep trying to take over buildings. They've made death threats to police. After 51 days they are still not under control and this is happening in other cities. I'm a citizen and I'm terrified when those in charge can't or won't impose order. So...yeah, terrorists.
I lived in NYC during 9/11 and then during the anthrax scare. I'm MORE scared now. Because then, people were actually trying to impose law and order. Now, they are not.
It seems as the weeks and months go by, the flimsy BLM excuse for the rioting has begun to fade away, revealing the true nature: "The Resistance", a movement wholeheartedly endorsed by the Democratic party.
The paradox is that 90% of the destruction is happening in the bluest of blue America, left wing cities like NYC, Minneapolis, Seattle and Portland.
The Democratic mayors and city councils of these cities have spent the last few years painting themselves into an ideological corner and now they are trapped. To oppose the Resistance they would first have to cancel their membership and risk being tarred as pro-Trump and toppled faster than a Columbus statue.
Out of desperation, the left is now promoting a paranoid fantasy about people being "disappeared".
Since it is not actually happening, after it serves its purpose for a week or two, it will be thrown onto the trash pile of left wing lies which has been festering since Election Day 2016.
^^^^^This. All of it. These Leftist, especially the dishonest Hypocrites here, love to falsely use the Constitution where it does not apply then demonize it for everything where it actually does apply.
So what exactly are you guys arguing here? It seems that your primary point is that this action in Portland is justifiable because you claim some leftists have been hypocritical on some other events in regards to federal abuse of power. Have you literally never heard the common idiom "Two wrongs do not make a right"? Either you hold consistent views or you don't. Your own hypocrisy is not justified simply because you think someone else did something wrong.
Oh come on, not graffiti, although that is a crime. They firebombed a federal building. They attacked police with lasers to blind them, with hammers, rocks, bricks, and arson. They keep trying to take over buildings. They've made death threats to police. After 51 days they are still not under control and this is happening in other cities. I'm a citizen and I'm terrified when those in charge can't or won't impose order. So...yeah, terrorists.
I lived in NYC during 9/11 and then during the anthrax scare. I'm MORE scared now. Because then, people were actually trying to impose law and order. Now, they are not.
Protesters, even rioters, have never been charged with anything close to domestic terrorism in the past. Even people who commit mass murder at schools, churches, concerts, etc. aren't charged with that. There are higher standards for this classification for a reason.
You being "terrified" does not justify your support for disregarding constitutional due process. You start advocating it be ignored for those you disagree with, sooner or later it's going to be disregarded for everyone whether you do anything wrong or not.
So what exactly are you guys arguing here? It seems that your primary point is that this action in Portland is justifiable because you claim some leftists have been hypocritical on some other events in regards to federal abuse of power. Have you literally never heard the common idiom "Two wrongs do not make a right"? Either you hold consistent views or you don't. Your own hypocrisy is not justified simply because you think someone else did something wrong.
Many on here have been advocating for law and order in Portland for weeks now. Law and order is the most fertile ground for the rights of everyone being protected. Chaos is not. I started a thread on it weeks ago. "What on Earth is Happening in Portland????"
We didn't need a crystal ball to figure out that rampant lawlessness was going to result in bad things happening. And oh no....bad things are happening. As we said they would. That is a consistent view, and it doesn't mean that the bad things are condoned. It means they should have been prevented... a long time ago.
Others are suddenly interested in people's rights 51 days later. That is not consistent.
Protesters, even rioters, have never been charged with anything close to domestic terrorism in the past. Even people who commit mass murder at schools, churches, concerts, etc. aren't charged with that. There are higher standards for this classification for a reason.
You being "terrified" does not justify your support for disregarding constitutional due process. You start advocating it be ignored for those you disagree with, sooner or later it's going to be disregarded for everyone whether you do anything wrong or not.
That is a very naive assumption--that they are protesters. They are what their actions say they are. If they are using weaponry and trying to take over buildings, they are not protesters. They may very well be domestic terrorists. That is for the Feds to figure out. Their actions are consistent with terrorists.
Does a terrorist wear a certain uniform?
And I am not disregarding due process. Where have I done that? I said that people being scooped up off the streets---IF that is what happened--is authoritarian. Something that should not happen if people in charge did their job 51 days ago.
My being terrified was to illustrate the end result of violent actions. Which is normal--and shouldn't be gaslighted.
Added in Edit:
Domestic terrorist:
"The FBI defines domestic terrorism as violent, criminal acts committed by individuals and/or groups to further ideological goals stemming from domestic influences, such as those of a political, religious, social, racial, or environmental nature." Other definitions include violent acts against infrastructure. Like a courthouse maybe?
You imagine "the left" was cheering those things, but offer no actual evidence for that whatsoever. You use a singular supposed quote from someone unnamed and ascribe that view to the entire political left. This is incredibly dishonest.
Furthermore, you clearly are a hypocrite on this. You say you're "not cheering" it, but obviously have a sympathetic view towards the actions of the feds here and are not actively condemning it. If you're going to point your finger at millions of other people you don't know, maybe make sure the one you're using isn't filthy.
Oh my. If you want to deny the leftist glee at both Waco and Ruby Ridge and deny their defense of federal actions at both places the dishonesty is not mine. After all there was guns , religion (Christian religion) and of course the Weavers views of "White separatism."
As to pointing fingers leftist types LOVE pointing fingers at millions of people they dont know regular like. Firearms owners, supporters of our current president Donald Trump, yowling like hungry coyotes about firearms owners having "blood on our hands" and supporting the president being in support of racism.
Sorry, the left doesn't get a pass from me and I stand by everything I posted. I looked for that into their tanks quote but I cant find it. But Janet Reno did pop up on every search attempt.
And no, I'm certainly not condemning federal deployment in Portland. But unlike the leftists did during Waco and Ruby Ridge (and I still stand by this) I'm NOT cheering. Federal forces having to be deployed is not reason for glee.
Portland is in a state of complete chaos. Arson, assaulting citizens and LE personnel is rampant, looting, destruction and mayhem. Its NOT "peaceful protest" nor is such violent mayhem justified. And the people in charge (supposedly) are letting it happen. It's no longer an issue of Constitutional rights.
Its terrorism, straight up. Leftists weren't a bit concerned about the Constitution at Waco, Ruby Ridge or the Bundy Ranch or at follow on protests in Oregon where federal agents shot three people dead in their vehicle. O e being Cliven Bundys son as I recall.
I didnt imagine the leftist cheering. I will concede perhaps I am being general in using "leftists" without an adjective. One such as radical, far, or some such.
Thing is, those describe the current mainstream of the left and the Democratic party. So, I offer no apologies for that. And I'm not the only one who remembers the thi gs I cited.
I recall recent pro 2A demonstrations, quite peaceful ones in VA where the leftist rhetoric fully supported deployment of federal state and local LE and pushed for the NG as well AHEAD of the fully disclosed and planned event.
Filthy fingers indeed. Tens of thousands of fully armed citizens demonstrated completely peacefully and even cleaned the city after. Hmmm...I see a BIG difference twixt right and left protest methods here. Or am imagining things again. Silly me..
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As we said they would. That is a consistent view, and it doesn't mean that the bad things are condoned. It means they should have been prevented... a long time ago.
