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Old 07-21-2020, 08:41 PM
 
Location: Stillwater, Oklahoma
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CNN reports a study that shows "actual number of Covid-19 cases is far greater than thought". Well, if this is true, then that must mean the mortality rate is much lower than thought, right?


Not only is it less deadly, it's likely over 10 times less deadly. Thanks for clearing that up, CNN.

Study says actual number of Covid-19 cases is far greater than thought
So you much prefer and trust the accuracy of Fox News for the actual COVID death numbers?
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Old 07-21-2020, 08:41 PM
 
Location: West Palm Beach, FL
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So, you don't care what the science says. As long as there's any risk of any death, you want to use this to further your party's political agenda. Got it. We knew that already.
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Old 07-21-2020, 08:41 PM
 
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So you much prefer and trust the accuracy of Fox News for the actual COVID death numbers?
What are you talking about?
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Old 07-21-2020, 08:43 PM
 
Location: Stillwater, Oklahoma
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What are you talking about?
Fox News.
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Old 07-21-2020, 08:43 PM
 
Location: West Palm Beach, FL
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What are you talking about?
They're just trying to obfuscate the scientific facts in furtherance of their political agendas. They've got an election to win.
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Old 07-21-2020, 08:48 PM
 
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Fox News.
What about fox news? Why did you bring them up, and what do they have to do with this thread?
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Old 07-21-2020, 08:53 PM
 
Location: NNJ
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Someone should talk to CNN... they are suppose to make things look worse not better for political reasons...
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Old 07-21-2020, 09:00 PM
 
Location: Various
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That's an interesting chart.

What do you think their motivation was for excluding the biggest killers in their chart and to only compare Covid19 against causes of death that account for only 7% of global deaths?
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Old 07-21-2020, 09:00 PM
 
Location: Pacific Beach/San Diego
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They're just trying to obfuscate the scientific facts in furtherance of their political agendas. They've got an election to win.
And Republicans need to obfuscate the number of people who have already died and will be left with permanent health issues. Human lives be damned; they need that unemployment rate to come down to get the Pantload in Chief back in for round two.
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Old 07-21-2020, 09:02 PM
 
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CNN reports a study that shows "actual number of Covid-19 cases is far greater than thought". Well, if this is true, then that must mean the mortality rate is much lower than thought, right?


Not only is it less deadly, it's likely over 10 times less deadly. Thanks for clearing that up, CNN.

Study says actual number of Covid-19 cases is far greater than thought
This is old news, as that has been the assumption since Day 1. It's not as good news as you think, though. First, these studies would mean that a very low % of the US population has even been infected, meaning that even if herd immunity is possible, it would take a very long time and cost hundreds of thousands of more lives. Otherwise, we'd have to wait for a vaccine. Second, the total number of cases is not the only thing being undercounted, but so are deaths. In the 2009-2010 flu pandemic, the US only reported about 6,000 deaths while it was ongoing, but later it was determined that the total was really 18,000, 3x higher. This is typical of death tolls while such events are ongoing- the totals are always underestimated while they happen. Measurements of mortality during a particular period shows that deaths within the US were significantly higher this year than would typically occur, and the current death totals are far too low to account for the increase, even assuming that some of the deaths were from other causes. Estimates suggest deaths are being undercounted anywhere from 25%-75%, which itself is a low estimate considering what occurred with other events.

Even assuming that the number of deaths are accurate, the infection fatality rate would still be at least 0.5% or greater. The common flu is generally between 0.01%-0.1%, the latter occurring only in some of the more virulent outbreaks. Death tolls of at least 100K from the flu occurred in the 1967-1970 and 1956-1958 outbreaks, but obviously over much longer periods than Covid has killed in just 4 months. The only real comparison is the 1918 flu, which had a fatality rate closer to Covid. Deaths from that were at least half a million in the US, but spread over multiple waves that lasted into 1920. Covid, especially without a vaccine, could easily end up killing more and end up being the deadliest viral pandemic in US history.
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