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What do you think their motivation was for excluding the biggest killers in their chart and to only compare Covid19 against causes of death that account for only 7% of global deaths?
Nobody is claiming that COVID is heart attacks or cancer. It does make the right's argument that "it's just like the flu" seem incredibly stupid though, since there are more drowning deaths worldwide than flu deaths.
What do you think their motivation was for excluding the biggest killers in their chart and to only compare Covid19 against causes of death that account for only 7% of global deaths?
I was wondering that also. My coworker who down plays the whole thing looks at a chart that has heart disease as the #1 killer and says we all have a better chance of dying in a car accident than a Covid death.
But none the less, I think you could probably equate heart disease with old age, except for the body abusers ie. smokers, alcoholics, over-eaters, ect. those who are asking for heart disease.
So yeah, what are the other big human killers that should be on this chart?
And Republicans need to obfuscate the number of people who have already died and will be left with permanent health issues. Human lives be damned; they need that unemployment rate to come down to get the Pantload in Chief back in for round two.
Unfortunately for you, COVID-19 isn't the killer you hoped it would be.
My coworker who down plays the whole thing looks at a chart that has heart disease as the #1 killer and says we all have a better chance of dying in a car accident than a Covid death.
We average about 34,000 auto deaths per year over the last decade; we have over 140K deaths from COVID with five months to go and with none the first two months.
Unfortunately for you, COVID-19 isn't the killer you hoped it would be.
A 0.5% rate, which is what the OP's study would truly suggest, would mean about 1.5 million deaths in the US if everyone was infected. How many deaths are acceptable to you? My father is one of the 145K. He died last Sunday. I know a lot of conservatives don't care about anything until it affects them personally, but it's a pretty immoral position to write off all those lives and the devastation their deaths leave with their families, especially when so many of them were preventable had leadership bothered to do anything. It's pretty disgusting for you to just think this is political or that it's a hoax, but I have seen it first hand.
In a mere SEVEN MONTHS in the United States, 140,000 have died. By the time 12 months have passed, the death toll in the US will be 200,000 or greater. The flu does NOT kill 200,000 in the US in one year.
Estimates for flu deaths range 38,000 (2018-2019) - 61,000 (2017-2018).
In other words, to date in seven months, CV has killed 2.5x those who died of flu in the entire 17-18 season.
This should not be a disease anyone pooh-poohs. It could ruin your life.
Fortunately, we are getting to a place where early intervention therapies and antivirals can mitigate many of the awful aspects of this disease. See Coronavirus Science Thread on Current Events Forum. Severe illness/ventilator use, and death toll should continue to drop - even with increasing numbers of cases.
Still - it is early days. EVERYONE should make a concerted effort not to expose oneself - or others.
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This is old news, as that has been the assumption since Day 1. It's not as good news as you think, though. First, these studies would mean that a very low % of the US population has even been infected, meaning that even if herd immunity is possible, it would take a very long time and cost hundreds of thousands of more lives. Otherwise, we'd have to wait for a vaccine. Second, the total number of cases is not the only thing being undercounted, but so are deaths. In the 2009-2010 flu pandemic, the US only reported about 6,000 deaths while it was ongoing, but later it was determined that the total was really 18,000, 3x higher. This is typical of death tolls while such events are ongoing- the totals are always underestimated while they happen. Measurements of mortality during a particular period shows that deaths within the US were significantly higher this year than would typically occur, and the current death totals are far too low to account for the increase, even assuming that some of the deaths were from other causes. Estimates suggest deaths are being undercounted anywhere from 25%-75%, which itself is a low estimate considering what occurred with other events.
Even assuming that the number of deaths are accurate, the infection fatality rate would still be at least 0.5% or greater. The common flu is generally between 0.01%-0.1%, the latter occurring only in some of the more virulent outbreaks. Death tolls of at least 100K from the flu occurred in the 1967-1970 and 1956-1958 outbreaks, but obviously over much longer periods than Covid has killed in just 4 months. The only real comparison is the 1918 flu, which had a fatality rate closer to Covid. Deaths from that were at least half a million in the US, but spread over multiple waves that lasted into 1920. Covid, especially without a vaccine, could easily end up killing more and end up being the deadliest viral pandemic in US history.
Whether your dad died of covid-19, a heart attack, or cancer, the loss is entirely on your shoulders and it's somewhat tacky to use his deaths in some vain effort to make a point.
Yea good point, just because this disease will only kill a small percentage of us, doesn't mean it isn't deadly. A lot of people will continue to die from this disease.
Yep, a small percent of Americans and the world is still a lot of people. For America if it is say 1% that is 3.29 Americans, at 0.5% is still 1.64 million Americans dead. 140K dead Americans is too much IMHO.
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