Why does the Right/Cons/Republicans believe Covid-19 was needed to extend government power?

[Ellis Bell]

Originally Posted by No_Recess

I guess my question is this: Why would the government, especially in 2020, need to specifically create a crisis to gain more control over people?

So let me be clear: While I'm not discounting the State's eagerness to use naturally occurring events as a means to be opportunistic and fatten their bellies at our expense I simply don't believe that it's necessary to invent every single thing that goes wrong in the world for political gain.

If anything, I would think these events, regardless of they are planned or not, would show how incompetent the State is to both sides of the aisle. Take it from an anarchist who is never happy with any government response.

First you are brave to start threads ... I thought of something similar to this, but then thought ... don't care that much. People are going to believe what they want to believe and it matters not if it makes sense or not.

I guess my question is this: Why would the government, especially in 2020, need to specifically create a crisis to gain more control over people?

It was a reminder ... The bug came out of China, I don't think it was meant to go out, I think it was meant for just the people of China and the narrative to that release would have been believable. If you look at biological war, we are all the same ... if one wanted to wipe out everyone else, but keep themselves in tact ... it would be an impossible feat. So look at the results ... governments around the globe, needn't more control, they have all the control already of their citizens, this virus just drove that point home. And yet, they (those in freedom countries) will tell themselves something else, so that they can sleep nights. All other countries, they just hoped they'd be able to sleep.

So let me be clear: While I'm not discounting the State's eagerness to use naturally occurring events as a means to be opportunistic and fatten their bellies at our expense I simply don't believe that it's necessary to invent every single thing that goes wrong in the world for political gain.

It would not have mattered who the potus was in this ... State rights, trump Federal ... potus who saw that as an opportunity to not have to be on the hook for whatever came, ran with it. When does Federal trump States? Since the day after the signing of that Constitutional document (the biggest sales job ever done to citizens) Congress has been systematically giving more rights over to the executive office. Trump could have dictated the whole darn thing ... we don't have lifetime regimes --- the only thing left keeping them (EO) honest. Political gain, Trump tore a page out of Andrew Yang's playbook and fed people money, that'll make people happy, give them money and it will gain votes --- did it? Nope, he gave the States their right to take care of the citizens and it backfired on him. (I can not stand the character of the man, but the law is the law) Yet, this country will run on EO policies and no one sees that as f---ed up.

Who got the money --- ? Who got to work --- ? and who pushed the panic button --- ? The people panicked and the government controlled the markets ...

If anything, I would think these events, regardless of they are planned or not, would show how incompetent the State is to both sides of the aisle. Take it from an anarchist who is never happy with any government response.

"We the people" or "We the States", became the argument of the day, before the ink was yet dry on the Constitution ...

"We the people" became a socialist economy during the era of the Great Depression and if this virus has yet to clue people in on that, it will only be because they are all for it, or they do not want to see the clue. [btw: imo social programs does not a socialist economy make, government regulation of production in the 'free market' does, make it no longer a free market.]

If the government shrank (libertarian wet dream) where it needed less (slave) tax dollars and we had more than a two party rule --- their would have been better collaboration between 'we the people' and less dependency on the government and the markets (prior to crises) would have had inventory to deal.

We were given freedom to choose; we gave it back, because we didn't want to be held responsible for our choices, but hold the State responsible, instead. That is the wants that came out of --- the Great Depression. [when they came for prayer and it held, it has all gone downhill from there; choice is off the menu, but you're free to believe in the ghost and they do]

In other words, better the incompetency of the State, than that of the people ... that is why you my anarchy friend, will never see the opportunity to show yourself competent to handle all that comes your way.

[krichton]

i believe that many on the right live in a bubble, where the center of the universe revolves around them and nothing can get through to them, least of all, the truth, because the truth is scary, reality is scary, and this bubble, is their safe space from that horrible reality. This is why they so readily want to deny the virus. Almost, or practically no conservative on CD ever brings up that 150,000 americans have died, which is an astounding number to die from some new virus. That's 150k lives that would have lived, otherwise. Instead they want to focus on conspiracies that the government is lying to us. This is so they can remove themselves from the reality of covid and how many it's killed. Look at all the threads started by right wingers, most if not all, are completely unhinged. This is what happens with your mind, when logic has completely left you and you rely solely on conspiracy theories to dictate your reality.

[AloePurell]

I absolutely hate neocons/alt-right but I can kinda see where they're going. It does appear as if the restrictions put into keeping things in order can appear to be a test of obedience; esp when you look deep into the facts about COVID that may not be broadcast onto mainstream media.
For example, there's the case with nurses (or whoever it is) declaring random non-COVID related deaths as death by COVID. They get more funding that way. A nurse told me that a guy who died in a motorcycle accident was declared a COVID death although it was clearly blood loss and head trauma that killed him. But he did test positive, so why not get that extra funding? Of course, this is just what I've heard from neighbors and people they know who work in the health industry.
Of course, this isn't every single case of COVID-related deaths but...you get it.

[BoBromhal]

Originally Posted by No_Recess

Republicans are idiots.

That doesn't exclude Democrats from being idiots though.

It's not a mutually exclusive paradigm.

And Volobjectarian is going to agree with me on that.

Just when one team seems to have the moral/logical high ground (which in theory should be Republicans most of the time) they somehow make things so much worse that you are just left speechless...if you're a sane impartial observer.

That's the point of all this.

I'm just responding to the idea that even a majority of Republicans think that way.

I think in general, both parties - that is, those who are elected time and again and represent the parties - are more concerned with soundbites, red meat platitudes, and re-election than actually doing anything.

Today's hearing, which is like every hearing I've ever seen, is my Exhibit A.