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View Poll Results: Should We Start Focusing on Non-Compliance in these Police Involved Incidents?
Yes 143 89.38%
No 17 10.63%
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Old 08-24-2020, 09:38 AM
 
Location: New York City
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Once again we have a police involved shooting in Kenosha, WI where the suspect was ignoring police instructions and being combative. Regardless of the final outcome, if it was justified or not, it would have been 100% avoided if the suspect had followed police instructions.

Why is it that people are not taking any responsibility for what they can do to do their part in making sure these things don't happen. Why aren't people taking responsibility and teaching their kids to respect authority and follow police instructions?

We can't just ignore this problem anymore, if you fight the police there is a huge chance of it ending badly for you, justified or not. But that can be completely avoided if you do the right thing
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Old 08-24-2020, 09:45 AM
 
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Problem is, addressing the issue of non compliance/resisting arrest does not fit the acceptable narrative of oppressor vs oppressed. Their has to be a victim. Victims are the bread and butter of the left, unless the victim was a person dragged out of their car and beating nearly to death by peaceful protesters. If one addresses the issue directly, especially if a politician attempts to do, the left and a complicit media plays the racists card.
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Old 08-24-2020, 10:06 AM
 
Location: NW Nevada
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Not following police orders is not a justification for lethal force in and of itself. Only if the suspect is armed or can REASONABLY be presumed to be armed of otherwise exceptionally dangerous.

This recent video is pretty damning for the cops. Now if the guy was going for a weapon inside the car and the cop shot him to keep him from getting to it that's different. But just telling cops to get stuffed with their orders is NOT grounds for lethal force by itself.

The guy in WI could very well have had a weapon in the car. We cant see. If the cop who fired saw him reaching for a gun inside the car then it was a good shoot.

But if there was no weapon just because he wasnt complying with orders was NO cause to grab him by the scruff and start pumping the crunchenticker.

I want to see the cops bodycam footage. As it sits things look bad.
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Old 08-24-2020, 10:11 AM
 
Location: NY
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I think the ultimate aim of marxists and anarchists--- who are using this issue to tear down the system-- is to create chaos. If they create a world where people think it is normal to resist arrest.... If they force the narrative into a one way street, where the police are always wrong, and the other person is always right...then they chip away at policing, and have so much disorder that systems begin to fall.

Ultimately, police will not respond when called to break up a fight. Next time, it will be like the NYPD who stood by and watched a mob beat up a 14 year old girl recently. They won't intervene. And we have chaos...their end goal.

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Old 08-24-2020, 10:14 AM
 
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There is a growing trend in society away from personal responsibility and talking about someone not complying with the police goes against that trend.

The media skews to the left (look at campaign donation reports) and studies show that liberals are more likely to blame external causes like other people or the system when they fail and conservatives are more likely to take ownership and blame themselves and their own personal actions.

Ignoring non-compliance with police requests fits in with a liberal (and therefore media) mindset.
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Old 08-24-2020, 10:16 AM
 
Location: NY
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Not following police orders is not a justification for lethal force in and of itself. Only if the suspect is armed or can REASONABLY be presumed to be armed of otherwise exceptionally dangerous.

This recent video is pretty damning for the cops. Now if the guy was going for a weapon inside the car and the cop shot him to keep him from getting to it that's different. But just telling cops to get stuffed with their orders is NOT grounds for lethal force by itself.

The guy in WI could very well have had a weapon in the car. We cant see. If the cop who fired saw him reaching for a gun inside the car then it was a good shoot.

But if there was no weapon just because he wasnt complying with orders was NO cause to grab him by the scruff and start pumping the crunchenticker.

I want to see the cops bodycam footage. As it sits things look bad.
This may be so...we'll have to see with this one. But at the very least, shouldn't we stop normalizing resisting arrest? Shouldn't we at least talk about that part of the equation?

What use of force are police allowed to use if someone does not comply? Because if the answer is..very little, then people will not comply. Why would they?

In the Rayshard Brooks shooting, we have a lot more evidence, and even there, few talked about the part Brooks played in the equation.
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Old 08-24-2020, 10:17 AM
 
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In order to sow chaos, one needs to ignore the whole picture and focus on emotion, promote anger and victimhood. (Medias job)
Another question- what about the so called 'the talk'? Apparently its more victimhood falsehood.
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Old 08-24-2020, 10:21 AM
 
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Once again we have a police involved shooting in Kenosha, WI where the suspect was ignoring police instructions and being combative. Regardless of the final outcome, if it was justified or not, it would have been 100% avoided if the suspect had followed police instructions.

Why is it that people are not taking any responsibility for what they can do to do their part in making sure these things don't happen. Why aren't people taking responsibility and teaching their kids to respect authority and follow police instructions?

We can't just ignore this problem anymore, if you fight the police there is a huge chance of it ending badly for you, justified or not. But that can be completely avoided if you do the right thing
This was at least the second time he did this. Five years ago, he resisted arrest and was subdued by a K9 officer named Dozer.

By the way, I read that there was a gun in the car in the latest incident.
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Old 08-24-2020, 10:22 AM
 
Location: New York City
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Not following police orders is not a justification for lethal force in and of itself. Only if the suspect is armed or can REASONABLY be presumed to be armed of otherwise exceptionally dangerous.

This recent video is pretty damning for the cops. Now if the guy was going for a weapon inside the car and the cop shot him to keep him from getting to it that's different. But just telling cops to get stuffed with their orders is NOT grounds for lethal force by itself.

The guy in WI could very well have had a weapon in the car. We cant see. If the cop who fired saw him reaching for a gun inside the car then it was a good shoot.

But if there was no weapon just because he wasnt complying with orders was NO cause to grab him by the scruff and start pumping the crunchenticker.

I want to see the cops bodycam footage. As it sits things look bad.
Nobody is ignoring the possible impropriety of the police officer, it will be looked at with a fine tooth comb.

This is a separate issue.

These incidents, even where a police office was criminally liable, are almost always completely avoidable with compliance to police instructions. It is a concrete, real, and effective action that people can do to avoid police involved injury or death.

Why is BLM not putting out public service campaigns to comply with police instructions and then represent them in court if something wrong happened?
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Old 08-24-2020, 10:24 AM
 
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Nobody is ignoring the possible impropriety of the police officer, it will be looked at with a fine tooth comb.

This is a separate issue.

These incidents, even where a police office was criminally liable, are almost always completely avoidable with compliance to police instructions. It is a concrete, real, and effective action that people can do to avoid police involved injury or death.

Why is BLM not putting out public service campaigns to comply with police instructions and then represent them in court if something wrong happened?
My dad and school talked to me about complying with and respecting police officers.

Do these conversations not happen in certain neighborhoods?
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