What's the true end goal of banning abortion? (compared, programs, women)
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My fiancee had an abortion 14 years ago, still doesn't regret it and if she had it to do again, wouldn't do it any different.
She was 19, and her boyfriend at the time was unemployed by choice and physically abused her constantly. She shouldn't have had to "take responsibility" for that and have a constant reminder of the guy who regularly beat her and cheated on her
And yes, she broke up with him afterwards. It was her wake up call
And here we have it. Mental health education, knowledge and care in the USA is abysmal.
It's a damn shame she permitted herself get mixed up with such a human.
Humans are first, animals. The urge to reproduce drives many behaviors. People can rationalize any feeling. Think you're in love, it may be just nature doing her job.
Magic thinking is also a human trait.
I'm for giving every girl who reaches puberty implants. She can remove them when the time is reasonable and right.
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She shouldn't have had to "pay" for that. Your suggestion is evil. I believe in second chances, she's used hers wisely. She got her life together, and got a college education. None of that would have happened if things had gone as you would of wanted
So you don't believe that there should be consequences for bad choices.
Consequences for making bad choices is called "learning".
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Originally Posted by crone
And here we have it. Mental health education, knowledge and care in the USA is abysmal.
It's a damn shame she permitted herself get mixed up with such a human.
Humans are first, animals. The urge to reproduce drives many behaviors. People can rationalize any feeling. Think you're in love, it may be just nature doing her job.
Magic thinking is also a human trait.
I'm for giving every girl who reaches puberty implants. She can remove them when the time is reasonable and right.
Absolutely! It's called taking responsibility. Simple concept.
By that same logic, an infant or toddler not capable of self-support and utterly dependent on someone else for food, clothing, shelter, etc., isn't a human. So why can't they also be killed at will if their mothers deem them an inconvenience?
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No one is going to answer a question this stupid^
It's a legitimate question based on your own parameters, which you've already stated:
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Originally Posted by FirebirdCamaro1220
Wrong, answer this...
Can a 8 week fetus survive outside the womb without an incubator and/or other artificial means?
An infant or toddler cannot survive outside the womb without someone else providing food, clothing, shelter, etc. The infant or toddler cannot provide those life necessities for itself. By your logic, it's perfectly fine for the mother to kill the infant or toddler if she deems it an inconvenience.
Yeah, giving people the right to avoid a pregnancy that would put them in poverty = cull the underclass. So presumptive of you.
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haha nice try. You said that banning abortion will result in the child living in poverty and going to jail. You said that is a result that pro lifers won't face. Your position is that killing the child is better than more poor and criminals in society.
So yes, that is you saying that a cull of the underclass is preferable to increasing the underclass.
Scratch a "progressive", and you often find a dark soul.
Margaret Sanger would approve of your thinking!
Once again, you're putting words in my mouth. Then again, you're one of those people who twist and misrepresent what Margaret Sanger's positions were.
"So yes, that is you saying that a cull of the underclass is preferable to increasing the underclass."
No. That is you saying 2+2=10. I never said anything about culling the underclass. I said to give people the choice to avoid a pregnancy that would put them into poverty.
Now, are you going to stop twisting my words? Somehow, I doubt it. You seem to enjoy doing that.
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It's a legitimate question based on your own parameters, which you've already stated:
An infant or toddler cannot survive outside the womb without someone else providing food, clothing, shelter, etc. The infant or toddler cannot provide those life necessities for itself. By your logic, it's perfectly fine for the mother to kill the infant or toddler if she deems it an inconvenience.
By that same logic, an infant or toddler not capable of self-support and utterly dependent on someone else for food, clothing, shelter, etc., isn't a human. So why can't they also be killed at will if their mothers deem them an inconvenience?
Because your premise is fallacious.
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No one is going to answer a question this stupid^
LOL
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Originally Posted by BaptistFundie
That seems kind of judgmental. You really can't say that for me, you don't know me. You don't know others. You are simply repeating what you've heard from others.
Kinda like when people who are pro-choice are called baby killers? That kind of judgmental?
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Democrats aren't self supportive and are dependent on other people... Can we end them?
You know ... I'd love to debate this ridiculous statement with you, but I've got to get back to work.
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