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Old 10-25-2020, 12:19 PM
 
Location: Kentucky
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https://www.npr.org/sections/coronav...yP-lmyjFIbQsqY


It can save lives and science shows it. At some point, we have to realize that the truth is the truth and that with some issues our opinions really don't matter.

 
Old 10-25-2020, 12:20 PM
 
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https://www.npr.org/sections/coronav...yP-lmyjFIbQsqY


It can save lives and science shows it. At some point, we have to realize that the truth is the truth and that with some issues our opinions really don't matter.
Masks don't work. It's just another form of virtue signaling for the left.
 
Old 10-25-2020, 12:23 PM
 
Location: Kentucky
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Masks don't work. It's just another form of virtue signaling for the left.
Got any legit scientific studies to back that claim up or are scientists just liberal doomsayers here to persecute conservatives.
 
Old 10-25-2020, 12:41 PM
 
Location: Raleigh NC
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unfortunately, IHME projections have varied widely and been so all over as to render themselves unreliable.

They make 1 projection that comes up with a maximum. Over a million MORE dead from 9/22 to Feb 28.

Then they project a 2nd lockdown, and come up with "only" 511,000 MORE dead in 5 months.

Then they make 1 projection based upon 95% mask usage - and that masks are very effective. This equals 381,000 MORE dead. That difference in projections = 130,000.


Early September, they said 400K deaths by the end of the year. We were at 190K deaths. 4 months, 122 days. 1,721 deaths each and every day. Today, we've averaged 782/day over that period. So to hit 400K, we'd have 2,500 deaths day. We have never had a 7 day average of 2,500. So, IHME needs a whole bunch of you people to die in order for them to "look good".

Oh, btw for us to even hit the LOWEST w/95% mask usage, we need 2,397 deaths each and every day. We've also never averaged that high. After the late July 2nd peak, we averaged < 1200/day.
 
Old 10-25-2020, 01:14 PM
 
Location: No Mask For Me This Time, Either
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It can save lives and science shows it. At some point, we have to realize that the truth is the truth and that with some issues our opinions really don't matter.
You have every right to protect yourself as you see fit. Wear a mask. Wear two masks. Wear a face shield. Wear six masks *and* a face shield. You do not, however, no matter what you believe, have a right to demand that I take similar measures on your behalf. The dragons running rampant in your mind are yours, and yours alone, to wrestle.
 
Old 10-25-2020, 01:52 PM
 
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Got any legit scientific studies to back that claim up or are scientists just liberal doomsayers here to persecute conservatives.
Just do some simple research. The size in microns, of a virus, vs what size particles in microns can pass through a mask, particularly the cloth masks most people wear. Then there is exposure time, the actual amount of viral material that could hypothetically be expelled from a human just breathing and speaking normally, etc.. Common sense rules the day. But as some of us have observed, there is a serious shortage of commons sense being utilized these days. It has been replaced by fear, panic and a large does of hatred from the leftist MSM. The argument for masks says it protects others who have the virus from spreading it to others via droplets from saliva. I'm not sick so I'm not at risk of spreading it.

I believe after the dust has settled from all the panic ginned up by the media, we will find that masks were largely ineffective in slowing the spread of Chinese WuFlu among the general population. I also believe the entire thing was more an experiment to see how easily the general public can be persuaded into uniform behavior if you scare enough people.
 
Old 10-25-2020, 01:57 PM
 
Location: Kansas
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Masks don't work. It's just another form of virtue signaling for the left.
Yep! And, I got this one for you too!

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Got any legit scientific studies to back that claim up or are scientists just liberal doomsayers here to persecute conservatives.
Of course we do!

https://www.rcreader.com/commentary/...-social-policy

https://www.climatedepot.com/2020/05...cience-vacuum/

https://pdmj.org/

And of concern to people with kids, grandkids, etc. wearing masks at school:

https://healthandmoneynews.wordpress...OBDZhG-lscddEM

“The rebreathing of our exhaled air will without a doubt create oxygen deficiency and a flooding of carbon dioxide. We know that the human brain is very sensitive to oxygen depravation. There are nerve cells for example in the hippocampus, that can’t be longer than 3 minutes without oxygen – they cannot survive. The acute warning symptoms are headaches, drowsiness, dizziness, issues in concentration, slowing down of the reaction time – reactions of the cognitive system.


So, not only do they not work, but they can impair the health of the person wearing them. "Science"!
 
Old 10-25-2020, 02:01 PM
 
Location: Honolulu/DMV Area/NYC
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So, assuming that this is correct (and there are so many variables to this, to include that most of these masks are pure trash), how do you enforce such? Even if the federal government could implement a national mask mandate (it can't), authorities will NOT be able to force people to actually do so when out and about. You can continue to encourage as has been done, but enforcement is a completely different story.
 
Old 10-25-2020, 03:09 PM
 
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Masks DO work - at least to limit the distance that your micron-sized germys travel in the first few moments, as they do not have wings, but ride on your breath - which is limited in force by the mask. Try debunking that. Do you not cover your mouth when you cough or sneeze, when you have a cold or flu? Why? You think those particles are bigger? You think your hand is the cure all? No. You do it to limit the distance the stuff flies outta your mouth. Same thing here. That's it - nothing more, nothing less.



Meantime -



Universal mask wearing has no chance of success. This is because - and math shows it, which I won't bore you with here - that 99% of people, if not more, are already wearing them when it matters. No amount of law or whatever will increase that number. Look at the numbers. A very - tiny - percent - of the population is infected daily. It means a very - tiny - percent of contagious people aren't keeping a distance, and aren't wearing a mask, and are near another guy who isn't keeping a distance. It's small - tiny - amount. HUGE numbers - but a tiny percent of the population.


Basically - everyone already IS wearing mask, and 99% of them are doing it for no reason at all - because they aren't contagious, and they aren't near anyone that is.
 
Old 10-25-2020, 03:12 PM
 
Location: Metro Detroit, Michigan
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Maybe we can all finally get free chit if we allow the democrats to staple masks to our faces?
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