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Just do some simple research. The size in microns, of a virus, vs what size particles in microns can pass through a mask, particularly the cloth masks most people wear. Then there is exposure time, the actual amount of viral material that could hypothetically be expelled from a human just breathing and speaking normally, etc.. Common sense rules the day. But as some of us have observed, there is a serious shortage of commons sense being utilized these days. It has been replaced by fear, panic and a large does of hatred from the leftist MSM. The argument for masks says it protects others who have the virus from spreading it to others via droplets from saliva. I'm not sick so I'm not at risk of spreading it.
I believe after the dust has settled from all the panic ginned up by the media, we will find that masks were largely ineffective in slowing the spread of Chinese WuFlu among the general population. I also believe the entire thing was more an experiment to see how easily the general public can be persuaded into uniform behavior if you scare enough people.
The viral particles are contained within droplets. Masks contain droplets, larger droplets better than smaller ones. You can be infected, not be sick, not know you are infected, and spread it. You could be spreading it for several days and then get sick.
You are denying basic principles of infectious disease.
Some masks work better than others. Cloth masks of several layers or with a disposable filter work better. There is really no need to be using a single layer of cloth any more.
There is no grand conspiracy concerning the coronavirus and masks. You can put away the tinfoil hat.
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So, not only do they not work, but they can impair the health of the person wearing them. "Science"!
Masks work. The evidence is summarized here, with links to sources.
The German woman has no idea what she is talking about. Wearing a mask does not impair exchange of oxygen or carbon dioxide. You can find multiple videos of people measuring blood oxygen levels and CO2 levels while wearing masks, even while exercising.
Masks do need to be worn properly. That means put it on, covering mouth and nose, do not touch it (do not pull it down or hang it off an ear), remove it using the ear loops or ties, then discard it or set it aside to be washed. Make sure it fits so you are not tempted to fiddle with it. Do not put it in your pocket, then reuse it. Wash or sanitize hands often and keep your hands away from your face.
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Masks DO work - at least to limit the distance that your micron-sized germys travel in the first few moments, as they do not have wings, but ride on your breath - which is limited in force by the mask. Try debunking that. Do you not cover your mouth when you cough or sneeze, when you have a cold or flu? Why? You think those particles are bigger? You think your hand is the cure all? No. You do it to limit the distance the stuff flies outta your mouth. Same thing here. That's it - nothing more, nothing less.
Meantime -
Universal mask wearing has no chance of success. This is because - and math shows it, which I won't bore you with here - that 99% of people, if not more, are already wearing them when it matters. No amount of law or whatever will increase that number. Look at the numbers. A very - tiny - percent - of the population is infected daily. It means a very - tiny - percent of contagious people aren't keeping a distance, and aren't wearing a mask, and are near another guy who isn't keeping a distance. It's small - tiny - amount. HUGE numbers - but a tiny percent of the population.
Basically - everyone already IS wearing mask, and 99% of them are doing it for no reason at all - because they aren't contagious, and they aren't near anyone that is.
The problem being, of course, that there is no way to tell who the people are who are infected but asymptomatic.
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The "scientists" once drilled hole in people's skulls to save them from insanity. I wonder who the Dr. Faucci was back then?
Doctors are still drilling holes in people's skulls. It is done to relieve the pressure from bleeding in the brain. Such a bleed may cause changes in behavior, so in the past such people might have been considered insane - or possessed.
Do you have a scientific study available that definitively states mask wearing is what caused such low numbers in those 2 examples you've used?
Are you also aware that Taiwan and NZ had some of the strictest, most brutal lockdowns in the world where people were barely allowed to leave home if even 1 person in the country even sneezed? Did you maybe consider frequent hand washing and extreme social distancing and isolation as alternative, viable reasons for such statistics? Of course you did not. You just conclude that masks stopped it.
If masks really did magically stop the pandemic, most of Europe (heavily masked) wouldn't be suffering from a second wave right now.
NZ also did not have a "brutal" lockdown. It implemented various levels of restrictions in response to changing numbers of cases. Never were people "barely allowed to leave home if 1 person in the country even sneezed".
The viral particles are contained within droplets. Masks contain droplets, larger droplets better than smaller ones. You can be infected, not be sick, not know you are infected, and spread it. You could be spreading it for several days and then get sick.
You are denying basic principles of infectious disease.
Some masks work better than others. Cloth masks of several layers or with a disposable filter work better. There is really no need to be using a single layer of cloth any more.
There is no grand conspiracy concerning the coronavirus and masks. You can put away the tinfoil hat.
Masks work. The evidence is summarized here, with links to sources.
The German woman has no idea what she is talking about. Wearing a mask does not impair exchange of oxygen or carbon dioxide. You can find multiple videos of people measuring blood oxygen levels and CO2 levels while wearing masks, even while exercising.
Masks do need to be worn properly. That means put it on, covering mouth and nose, do not touch it (do not pull it down or hang it off an ear), remove it using the ear loops or ties, then discard it or set it aside to be washed. Make sure it fits so you are not tempted to fiddle with it. Do not put it in your pocket, then reuse it. Wash or sanitize hands often and keep your hands away from your face.
The problem being, of course, that there is no way to tell who the people are who are infected but asymptomatic.
Doctors are still drilling holes in people's skulls. It is done to relieve the pressure from bleeding in the brain. Such a bleed may cause changes in behavior, so in the past such people might have been considered insane - or possessed.
NZ also did not have a "brutal" lockdown. It implemented various levels of restrictions in response to changing numbers of cases. Never were people "barely allowed to leave home if 1 person in the country even sneezed".
Does the DNC pay you to repeat their propaganda ad nauseum? We've seen that garbage many times before, yet you (and everyone else who thinks masking is the answer to COVID) still have yet to product a randomized controlled trial that proves masking does anything to reduce spread or mortality.
And no, masks have not "always been advised." Saint Fauci was telling us in March *of this year* that masks were unnecessary. You forgot to post that link.
And you need to be within 6 feet of someone who isn't wearing mask? You MUST be within their "viro-sphere" by right or something?
Does anyone need to be within 6 feet of them? I thought 6 feet was the magic distance of 0 infection? Even unmasked, you cannot open distance to be outside their viral threat radius?
No one has ever claimed that "6 feet was the magic distance of 0 infection".
The further you stay away from others the lower the risk.
Does the DNC pay you to repeat their propaganda ad nauseum? We've seen that garbage many times before, yet you (and everyone else who thinks masking is the answer to COVID) still have yet to product a randomized controlled trial that proves masking does anything to reduce spread or mortality.
I am not a democrat.
You will not find a randomized controlled trial showing parachutes work, either.
Masks are part of the effort to mitigate the spread of the coronavirus, along with social distancing and hand hygiene.
No one has ever claimed that "6 feet was the magic distance of 0 infection".
The further you stay away from others the lower the risk.
But masks don't give 0 infection either...they are claimed to reduce risk.
This takes me back to my earlier question - what is the mandate? Who comes up with it? How is it enforced across 335 million people who are spread out across 3.8 million square miles?
Seems like masks aren't the only thing that needs to be mandated. 6 feet distance and masks at least, but what else? Who is the authority? Who is responsible enforcement agency? What is the penalty for non-compliance? Etc?
I like the false sense of security they provide and knowing that I am saving the life of someones grandmother just by wearing one while grocery shopping. I am a hero!
But masks don't give 0 infection either...they are claimed to reduce risk.
This takes me back to my earlier question - what is the mandate? Who comes up with it? How is it enforced across 335 million people who are spread out across 3.8 million square miles?
Seems like masks aren't the only thing that needs to be mandated. 6 feet distance and masks at least, but what else? Who is the authority? Who is responsible enforcement agency? What is the penalty for non-compliance? Etc?
The sad thing is that there are people in the US who refuse to use masks without a mandate. Masks are an imperfect tool, but right now they are one of the few that we have.
The best is the enemy of the good.
It's up to the states to issue mandates, so there will be no one doing it for the entire country. Start issuing tickets and substantial fines. Issue enough tickets and mask use would go up substantially, I suspect.
One thing to think about is that masks may not prevent you from getting COVID-19 but may lower the viral load by trapping the particles of a sick person within the mask or at least enough of them. Same reason why you cough/sneeze into your arm or hands instead of just sneezing into the air.
Viral-load is like a sperm count. If you have a low sperm count you can still get a woman pregnant but it is a lot harder versus having a normal to high sperm count. Having a low viral-load decreases your odds of getting majorly sick (it can still happen but at lower odds maybe even much lower odds) versus just like going to an indoor gathering who no masks, social distancing, or no concept of personal hygiene and rubbing right next to people who have the virus increases viral-load, therefore, increasing the chance of getting very sick.
I'm not a scientist (nor does it appear many are on the board; there's a few Docs) but ...
knowing it's all about the viral load, let's say I catch a breath or 3 of lightly-Covid laced air. And then I put the mask on. And then I breathe it out into the mask, and breathe it back in. Over and over. Is it not possible - maybe even likely - that my body/immune system would overcome that initial light load, but when I trap it and allow it to replicate every single breath that a higher viral load occurs?
Again, I'm no scientist but it's food for thought until someone can educate us.
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