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Originally Posted by Ellis Bell
You have to start in removing things with the very foundation of it, The u.s. Constitution as it was written did not guarantee the freemen their protections under the law. Thomas Jefferson tried to include it, he was overruled and told to do a rewrite. They say, because the Southerners would have taken offense to it. The very States that had given the African citizenship and full protections under their laws, (beginning systematically from the 1700s) as they stood independent --- would be offended?
Britain has a better understanding of sovereignty (ruling over) than those here in the u.s. as that was/is Britain's way of life. So no, they would not be offended in the least. Until the generation comes that looses sight, will that ever become an issue.
Tell that to their former empire countries who couldn't wait to get rid of British Rule, and lets not forget the British mentality that anyone from other than Great Britain is a lesser person to them; just ask the Irish...
Can't blame them for what was normal 200 years ago but that a little different then honoring and revering someone who took up arms against this country, the losing side doesn't get to write the history books...
Can't blame them for what was normal 200 years ago but that a little different then honoring and revering someone who took up arms against this country, the losing side doesn't get to write the history books...
"The losing side" -- in a feat that showed far more wisdom and foresight than today's armchair vengeance-seeking ghost hunters do 150 years later -- were recognized and welcomed by the victors as our fellow countrymen again once the bloodshed was over, so they got a say in writing our history too.
Would have cost the North less money to buy all the slaves from the South and set them free.
President Lincoln proposed doing so:
Lincoln’s Compensated Emancipation Proposal:
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The idea of compensated emancipation never took root. Lincoln’s plan (although not an actual law—merely a joint resolution declaring the policy) came before Congress and passed both House and Senate by large majorities on April 10, 1862. However, not one vote came from the border-state Democrats. In support of the spirit of the original resolution, Congress then passed a bill that provided for gradual, compensated emancipation in the District of Columbia. On April 16, the President signed a historic bill prohibiting slavery in the District of Columbia that entitled District slave owners to $300 per slave. Freed slaves who joined Lincoln’s overseas colonization plan were allocated up to $100 each. The District of Columbia Emancipation Act remains the only example of compensated emancipation ever put into practice in the United States.
I think racial minorities have much worse problems than a few statues. Why is it that rallies against anti-Semitism really are ""Mostly Peaceful Rall(ies)" but other rallies, even if "mostly peaceful" turn deadly? I think that out-of-wedlock pregnancies, truancy and lack of attention to their childrens' education are much more serious problems than offensive statues.
& your opinions about all of these things changes the Confederate cause?
In other words, their cause could not be about race-based enslavement. </sarcasm
Question posed by the NORC (National Opinion Research Center of the University of Chicago) 1942, 1956, 1963 --- "Do you think all students should go to the same schools, or separate schools?" Between North and South in 1942 not one in three approved of integrated schools, in 1956 in the North it had become a majority view, while in the South, one in fifty favored integration. Continuation of the trend by 1963, two-thirds of all Americans approved of school integration, even in the South. (PAUL B. SHEATSLEY - 1966)
How does any of this change the fact that the Confederate cause was about preserving, & expanding race-based enslavement?
Tyranny vs freedom of choice? Define those and go from there. If all you see is (people as property) slavery of the Civil War, you will never understand sovereign freedom. There is no right and wrong of this issue --- just freedom in the ability to choose one's life, ambitions and opportunities.
We work money is deducted from our pay, even before we see it --- how's that any different than the life of a slave working for its master? Their master saw to their needs, roof, food, clothes, medical --- the government sees to the citizens needs. The citizen in return pays their master.
That that is just the basic, bottom side of the freedoms we've lost over the years --- when a business man can only market that which the government approves of him to market, it seems to me something has gone terribly wrong with the American Independence.
Confederates didn't have equal say --- they were not going to just roll over and take it, like we do today. We haven't held them responsible and we've lost our voice, in the legislative procedures of our country. The war --- was about slavery and the Confederates lost --- the Federal government sees to the needs of the citizens and the States can just go pound sand.
Absolutely Orwellian. The underlined is the 2nd plank:
War is Peace;
Freedom is Slavery;
& Ignorance is Strength.
'Ignorance is Strength' is the 3rd plank, & the Lost Cause mythologies & propaganda.
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