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For the record, I do NOT think there is a 7 state conspiracy to throw the election to Harris/Biden. I do have to question why so many people are against and freaking out over simply having a full and open investigation into the anomalies noted already and the small amount of voter fraud instances that are now coming to light.
I can only speak for myself but I'm in favor of investigations into any meaningful fraud claim. The issue is that no matter the outcome one side will still say it's some conspiracy against them.
Again, speaking for myself, the pushback has been because the Trump team just throws out "Fraud" claims but have yet to point out actual fraud. Not understanding that the constitution gives the states the power to run the elections is not fraud.
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I am speaking about investigating and analyzing it, before certifying it. If there is nothing of significance there, which I do not think there is other than some minor stuff, why not just do it ASAP and then everyone can move on with full confidence? Should Gore have just accepted that all those hanging chads turned out in Bush's favor or was he right in requesting it all be investigated and analyzed properly, so everyone can move forward with full confidence?
Neither Bush nor Gore got up and declared himself victor, as I recall. ESPECIALLY if it was clear he was NOT the victor, and adding a few hundred ballots here or there wouldn't make the difference.
The nation was held in the balance while Florida was tabulated - because whichever way that state went - within a very narrow margin, that's the way the election would go. And we all knew it. And so that's when we all learned, as a nation, what a "chad" is.
And there was some shenanigans on both sides - I believe Katherine Harris pulled a hat trick for Bush, and Gore campaign suggested we not count military ballots (not a good optic).
So. That was REAL.
This is just a bunch of crazy people trying to make everyone think the nation is held in question as to who the victor is.
What Trump did, is bizarre, to declare victory after Biden was clearly the mathematical victor.
And his followers now believe it. And by extension the rest of us look like fools.
If Trump's questions had any POSSIBLE chance of invalidating the election and determining he was the just victor, go for it. That's not what's going on here. And only some of us know it.
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why are you more concened with what other countries think than a fair election in your own country?
the US is a great country and if your so embarrassed by it maybe you should move to a country that doesnt embarrass you
I guess not everyone cares what the world thinks of our country, and our citizens. I do.
We've already had a fair election, so I'm not worried about that.
It's hard to consider yourself a "great country" if the rest of the world doesn't think so. Similarly, if you think you're a "great teacher" but you can't find anyone else to agree with you.
Neither Bush nor Gore got up and declared himself victor, as I recall. ESPECIALLY if it was clear he was NOT the victor, and adding a few hundred ballots here or there wouldn't make the difference.
The nation was held in the balance while Florida was tabulated - because whichever way that state went - within a very narrow margin, that's the way the election would go. And we all knew it. And so that's when we all learned, as a nation, what a "chad" is.
And there was some shenanigans on both sides - I believe Katherine Harris pulled a hat trick for Bush, and Gore campaign suggested we not count military ballots (not a good optic).
So. That was REAL.
This is just a bunch of crazy people trying to make everyone think the nation is held in question as to who the victor is.
What Trump did, is bizarre, to declare victory after Biden was clearly the mathematical victor.
And his followers now believe it. And by extension the rest of us look like fools.
If Trump's questions had any POSSIBLE chance of invalidating the election and determining he was the just victor, go for it. That's not what's going on here. And only some of us know it.
What Biden did, is bizarre, to declare victory without his opponent conceding.
I can only speak for myself but I'm in favor of investigations into any meaningful fraud claim. The issue is that no matter the outcome one side will still say it's some conspiracy against them.
Again, speaking for myself, the pushback has been because the Trump team just throws out "Fraud" claims but have yet to point out actual fraud. Not understanding that the constitution gives the states the power to run the elections is not fraud.
They've pointed out many, many examples of illegality. Now how many votes that represents?
That his supporters will refuse to believe reality, and facts. This is currently demonstrably true. And as a result we will have more people dead due to violence and militias. We have posters here encouraging this sort of thinking.
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