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China deserves to be invaded, so the PRC loses power. They cannot be trusted in leading China as it poses an immediate threat to the planet and it’s biological existence. Millions die now, so that billions don’t die in the next 100 years. That’s one facet.
The other is their dramatic attempt to spread their Confucian, socialist tendencies all over the world. We built a planet wrecking nuclear arsenal to combat the influence of the Soviet Union and protect or “way of life”. China’s even more dangerous and their massive communist slave camp (manufacturing infrastructure) running government needs to be burnt to the ground.
Why do you insist on blaming Trump for the virus? Did you not read my post? Maybe you are a china plant? If you are going to blame one politician then you must blame them all. Fact of the matter they are not at fault, the Chinese government is. They are the ones we need to hold accountable.
Trump is not being blamed on the virus. He's blamed for his response.
I don't blame China for this unless some new evidence emerges.
I also don't think it emerged in China. I just believe the Chinese, with their sophisticated surveillance state, were the first to detect it whereas in the USA and Europe, it went undetected among our cold and flu season. And probably would have gone undetected far longer if it were not for China.
Looking at its distribution, it's far more prevalent in Europe than Asia. Something you wouldn't expect if it emerged in China. Also China eradicated it by imposing a lockdown on Wuhan and surrounding areas. If it originated in China and then spread around the world, you'd expect all areas of China to have seeded outbreaks. That simply was not the case.
French data shows someone in Paris who died from pneumonia back in December 2019, died from Covid19. That person had no travel history to China and no known contacts with people from China. What's more, it takes someone about 3 weeks from initial exposure to death, so they were infected sometime November 2019 in France. Italian data suggests Covid19 was found in water samples as early as January 2020. Genetic modeling shows all seeded infections in the UK were from Spain and Italy back in spring 2020. That seeded infections in the USA were from Europe as well, not China.
To me all the evidence points one direction, it originated somewhere in Europe in 2019, and spread to China. Not the other way around.
China will never pay for this just like we never paid for the 2008 financial melt down here that caused a world wide recession under yet another Republican president.
Who went to jail for that?
I think we would be better served if we had a pandemic response system in place like Taiwan has. We should focus on never letting this happen again vs trying to get restitution that will never happen. I hope we as a nation learn from our mistakes and do much much better with the next pandemic. Oh yes, there will be more.
China has not learned from the SARS outbreak in 2003 with their filthy wet markets that banned certain wild animals, which still can be found. I doubt very much they will do anything different in those wet markets after this all dies down. We can't control how they live, we can only control how we respond to imminent threats.
Hmm how many of those all about me and my freedom rectums, and I don't want the govment telling me to wear a mask morons are standing there with their pitch forks demanding that China pay vs doing what's right to stop this virus?
China will never pay for this just like we never paid for the 2008 financial melt down here that caused a world wide recession under yet another Republican president.
Who went to jail for that?
I think we would be better served if we had a pandemic response system in place like Taiwan has. We should focus on never letting this happen again vs trying to get restitution that will never happen. I hope we as a nation learn from our mistakes and do much much better with the next pandemic. Oh yes, there will be more.
China has not learned from the SARS outbreak in 2003 with their filthy wet markets that banned certain wild animals, which still can be found. I doubt very much they will do anything different in those wet markets after this all dies down. We can't control how they live, we can only control how we respond to imminent threats.
Hmm how many of those all about me and my freedom rectums, and I don't want the govment telling me to wear a mask morons are standing there with their pitch forks demanding that China pay vs doing what's right to stop this virus?
If I buy into your assertion that the Chinese will do what they please, then all travel in and out of China/US needs to stop now and permanently. If businesses can't operate without traveling there, too bad. Find another country to do business with.
Why have all the major flu viruses in the past decades always come from China? Is there something region specific?
Bird
Swine
Sars
Covid
Maybe I am being unfair, perhaps close trade ties and massive population should be taken into account. But I think it is more than fair to say, all flu viruses that are above normal seem to come from China.
Trump shut the flights down as soon as soon as he realized the threat, but China was very late in telling the world.
China was not late. Have a mature adult explain the definition of "epidemic" to you, so you understand.
When those 16 people showed up at a single hospital on the same day with the same symptoms -- um, that's what "epidemic" means -- they had all attended a banquet where fish and shell-fish were served.
It is thus reasonable to conclude initially that the pathogen originated in fish/shell-fish and was spread by ingestion.
It took another 10 days of autopsies and test to figure out it was actually airborne.
Trump did not shut down flights. He banned flights from Wuhan on January 23, not other other areas of China and not the rest of the world.
That means that Trump, like 99% of the posters here, do not understand the meaning of "pandemic."
Virus do not travel in straight lines.
STUPID-19 can go from Wuhan to London to New York. Or Wuhan to Berlin to Rome to London to New York.
How stupid are Trump and the idiot Faucci not to be able to understand that?
I'm guessing you failed Natural Science and have never been on a plane.
Planes cruise at 30,000 feet where it's friggin' cold and there's no air to breathe.
Where do you think the air in a plane comes from?
From the plane. It's the same air circulating round and round and round the entire flight.
If one person on a plane has a communicable airborne pathogen, then everyone on the plane has been exposed to it. And then flight attendants are spreading it to everyone, too.
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It’s likely the virus was here months before he knew. What would you say Trump should have done differently?
How about sending a text message to Director US Customs & Immigration Service?
Oh, wait, Trump tweets.
So, how about tweeting Director US Customs & Immigration Service? You know, "Yo, Director, email us the names/addresses/phones of the 38 Million arrivals from October to January."
Yes, you average 9.5 Million arrivals per month.
Once you have the list of all 38 Million arrivals, you can sort them and eliminate the many duplicates then have the States do contact tracing.
But that only works if you close the borders, which Trump failed or refused to do.
Trump shut the flights down as soon as soon as he realized the threat, but China was very late in telling the world. It’s likely the virus was here months before he knew. What would you say Trump should have done differently? He might have been positive, but should he have sent the country into a panic? I don’t think so, that is not good leadership either.
I hope you are no accusing me of being partisan hack? I regularly call out people on both sides. I just think it is rediculous the amount of hate and baseless bias against trump I have seen on this forum. Yes he is a jerk and not presidential. I wish we had two better candidates. I did not vote for him in 2016 and begrudgingly voted for him this item because the left has gone off the rails. The democrats no longer care about the working class. Identity politics and pushing their anti America, globalist agenda is the New Democrat. No thanks.
I don't know your post history, nor do I care to look it up but from this post, it appears you are a trump supporter and not the begrudging kind you describe yourself to be.
a non-partisan person would not call out governors by their party.
an unbiased person will openly admit that trump's response to the virus was far from ideal. (this goes for leaders at the state and city levels as well, regardless of political party)
I will say that trump probably faced resistance from the other party when he decided to shut down flights from china, but when has unpopular sentiment ever stopped him from carrying out the things he wants to?
if you're going to give a pass to trump for telling a different story to the american public, then you would extend that leniency to china for the same reasons of not inducing widespread panic. especially when there is a valid reason for doing so, e.g. reprimanding in the doctor that broke medical protocol for spreading news over social media.
there has been zero evidence of this virus undoubtedly originating in china. we do have reports of it originating elsewhere in europe and brazil earlier than nov 2019. yet you are asking china to bear the blame for COVID.
this is the same playbook that the trump administration uses.
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