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How come righties on the anti-socialism warpath never mention the Scandinavian countries? It's always Venezuela for heaven's sake. No one wants to be them. No one. We want to be us, a capitalist country that treats it's needy with compassion and regulates it's corporations so they don't cost us money for cleanups (whether that be pollutants or finances) down the road. We own businesses too and benefit from a thriving capitalism based economy.
Thats why those who can are leaving democrat controlled states !!! They don't want to stay and clean up the mess !!! Caused by democrats !!!
Because the Scandinavian countries are not socialist. I know that is jarring and that your brainwashed teachers all though K12 told you that they are. But they are not.
OK then, as I've said many times, that means the US can adopt a Scandinavian-style welfare system and we don't need to worry about becoming "socialist."
But as I demonstrated back in February, it is the Canadas and Scandinavias of the world that democrats want to emulate anyway, not the Venezuelas and North Koreas.
Thats why those who can are leaving democrat controlled states !!! They don't want to stay and clean up the mess !!! Caused by democrats !!!
We're not talking about the dog crap you don't pick up in the back yard of your rental. Grownups know it's the Feds who clean up, or don't, the real messes. And that's it's unregulated and undertaxed corporations who make the mess.
Lord knows we've fixed economy after economy after the GOP gives it back to us broken. Kinda like is happening right now. You break it we fix it and clean it up.
Democrats leaving blue states for red states makes them purple states on the way to their turning blue too. Hallelujah for freedom!!!
Because the Scandinavian countries are not socialist. I know that is jarring and that your brainwashed teachers all though K12 told you that they are. But they are not.
No doubt. Scandinavian countries are only socialist when it is convenient for right wingers to say they are.
And, finally, here's what it looks like in the USA, keeping in mind this chart is 8 years old, pre-stimulus's, so an current edition would look much worse:
Every dollar consumed by gov't is a dollar not generating growth. Gov't never adds to GDP growth, so every dollar it consumes is killing private sector growth. In 1 chart, this is the American pipeline to socialism.
This is why we've had anemic economic growth for so long. Gov't is sucking capital out of the system, & killing the Goose that laid the Golden eggs...the private sector. To partially hide it, they print Monopoly money, do your Dollars are no longer really worth a Dollar.
Both parties are to blame, but Democrats are worse. The wealth surrounding Washington DC is proof. Many of America's most affluent zip codes are found there. That's where the pipeline calls home.
The top 1% are crushing the remaining 99% in a continuous march to socialism, that is invisible to most.
This post is pretty much neo-McCarthyism at it's finest. Never really touching on much fact. Using anecdotal stories from cuban "escapees". A cursory explanation of misguided myths of government spending. Accusations and comparisons to NK.
This post has all the hallmarks of a good red scare post.
Godforbid we ever stop trickledown economics, the decay of workers rights, and the corporate take over of main street America. The Right-wing puppet masters and the billionaire class, will never allow it. That's why they create these socialist boogieman stories to scare the sheep into line.
OK then, as I've said many times, that means the US can adopt a Scandinavian-style welfare system and we don't need to worry about becoming "socialist."
But as I demonstrated back in February, it is the Canadas and Scandinavias of the world that democrats want to emulate anyway, not the Venezuelas and North Koreas.
This is the problem with the US. You can't even have a rational conversation about sensible policy because something like 1/3rd of the people immediately start out with calling everything "commie". It's just so tired and stupid.
This post is pretty much neo-McCarthyism at it's finest. Never really touching on much fact. Using anecdotal stories from cuban "escapees". A cursory explanation of misguided myths of government spending. Accusations and comparisons to NK.
This post has all the hallmarks of a good red scare post.
Godforbid we ever stop trickledown economics, the decay of workers rights, and the corporate take over of main street America. The Right-wing puppet masters and the billionaire class, will never allow it. That's why they create these socialist boogieman stories to scare the sheep into line.
It gets very tiring having to constantly dispute this crap from the talk radio fan base so often. I would understand it if they were wealthy wall st tycoons or something. However, so much of it comes from middle class people who would benefit from these policies. The entire country would benefit...but because they've been indoctrinated with would be robber baron ideology with a healthy dose of racial identity politics, they feel they are on some "team" they aren't actually on.
Most of those links have nothing to do with economics or socialism. All four are subjected to economic sanctions by the West. They would likely be prospering, especially Cuba because of its history as a tourism hub and the others for their natural resources and location as gateways to bigger economies.
Most of the facts are wrong also. Much of government spending is now outsourced. The distinction between government and private sector is less clear with major sectors, such as finance, education, defense, and technology relying heavily on government support. The deficits have been monetized for at least ten years so the excess spending and tax cuts are going right into the economy. The drag on jobs is coming from trade and the hit to tourism from Covid.
Godforbid we ever stop trickledown economics, the decay of workers rights, and the corporate take over of main street America. The Right-wing puppet masters and the billionaire class, will never allow it. That's why they create these socialist boogieman stories to scare the sheep into line.
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Originally Posted by dman72
It gets very tiring having to constantly dispute this crap from the talk radio fan base so often. I would understand it if they were wealthy wall st tycoons or something. However, so much of it comes from middle class people who would benefit from these policies. ...
I'm not a billionaire or a Wall Street tycoon. But having spent some decades saving money and putting most of it in the stock market, I find considerable benefit from globalization, "creative destruction", and the churning associated with movement of people and products. Maybe I'm too daft to properly behold the situation, but it boggles my little brain to understand, how an insular, "America first", xenophobic and protectionist policy would be a good stewardship of wealth and prosperity... or why conservative voices would advocate for it.
The sort of "socialism" that the most shrill polemicists seem to most hate, isn't really a Chavez-style nationalization from the barrel of a gun, but a public-private coalescence, where "the elites" from industry, government and academia merge, to manage technology and natural resources, and to provide guidelines for commerce and infrastructure-development and education and so forth. The greatest bogeyman of all, it seems, isn't the storm-the-barricades Bolsheviks of 1917, but the US Federal Reserve. Why is this so?
What our friends in the conservative talk-radio circuit really seem to hate, if we're to use proper terminology, isn't Communism, but another c-word: cosmopolitanism.
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