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Old 12-28-2020, 07:25 PM
 
Location: Just over the horizon
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Nope, working from home, went to a funeral for their family (not covid related). Wearing masks.

My question had nothing to do with your family.
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Old 12-28-2020, 07:28 PM
 
Location: Midwest
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Here’s a direct link to the study for anyone interested in the scientific evidence.

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-020-19802-w



I would hope people would be open to new scientific evidence.

"Nature Communications" is an open access journal accessible only online. "Open Access" means any manuscript will be published for a fee. Any "research" article published on "Nature Communications," was purchased by the authors/researchers.

Reputable peer review research journals do not charge a fee for publication but rather the research manuscript is subject to intense review by a panel of researchers expert in the subject manner of the manuscript.

In other words, when a fee gets a manuscript published rather than stringent peer review, that research is usually junk.
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Old 12-28-2020, 07:33 PM
 
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That just doesnt stand up to reality, I have not seen a symptomatic person in 8 months, I have seriously not seen a person sneeze or cough in public in that long.
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Old 12-28-2020, 09:01 PM
 
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"Nature Communications" is an open access journal accessible only online. "Open Access" means any manuscript will be published for a fee. Any "research" article published on "Nature Communications," was purchased by the authors/researchers.

Reputable peer review research journals do not charge a fee for publication but rather the research manuscript is subject to intense review by a panel of researchers expert in the subject manner of the manuscript.

In other words, when a fee gets a manuscript published rather than stringent peer review, that research is usually junk.

That doesn’t seem accurate a all based on what I’ve looked up. Do you have a source?

From my understanding the fee is so that people have open access to the science and don’t have studies hidden behind paywalls.
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Old 12-28-2020, 09:08 PM
 
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My question had nothing to do with your family.
ironically I read your post wrong. Even more ironically you read mine wrong.
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Old 12-29-2020, 09:41 AM
 
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Lots of poor information in this post - maybe too late to stop this freight train, but please try to read and understand this.

You are contagious before you have symptoms. This does not mean you are asymptomatic. It means you are pre-symptomatic. The terms are not synonymous. The Chinese report is about asymptomatic cases. You wear a mask because of pre-symptomatic cases (mainly). We already knew true asymptomatic transmission is rare, because we already know that true asymptomatic CASES are rare - and this report proves that, too.



https://www.miamiherald.com/news/cor...247318654.html


The Chinese report - intriguing - of 10 million people - only 300 were truly asymptomatic. It changes nothing.

It is unfortunate that authors, doctors, scientists, and forum posters don't use more care when tossing these words about.

Anyway - all of you should already know this - but I can't blame you for being misled. I see bad media info all day long.


If you insist on the Chinese report being 100% conclusive, here's a CDC report showing the opposite (i.e., asymptomatic transmission does indeed happen):


https://wwwnc.cdc.gov/eid/article/26/11/20-3353_article
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Old 12-29-2020, 10:08 AM
 
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Bottom line is: Enough!! Get the country opened fully and stop destroying people’s lives. It’s time to “live free or die!”
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Old 12-29-2020, 10:13 AM
 
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Governors used CDC lies to justify lockdowns. Now we see that they were totally unnecessary. The evil lockdowns implemented all over our country by power-hungry governors will cause suffering for many years.
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It was all because of "power-hungry" governors? So WHY do you think these evil governors wanted to shut down their states? What benefit or pleasure would a governor get from forcing businesses, schools and churches to close?
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Old 12-29-2020, 10:18 AM
 
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Originally Posted by roodd279 View Post
Lots of poor information in this post - maybe too late to stop this freight train, but please try to read and understand this.

You are contagious before you have symptoms. This does not mean you are asymptomatic. It means you are pre-symptomatic. The terms are not synonymous. The Chinese report is about asymptomatic cases. You wear a mask because of pre-symptomatic cases (mainly). We already knew true asymptomatic transmission is rare, because we already know that true asymptomatic CASES are rare - and this report proves that, too.



https://www.miamiherald.com/news/cor...247318654.html


The Chinese report - intriguing - of 10 million people - only 300 were truly asymptomatic. It changes nothing.

It is unfortunate that authors, doctors, scientists, and forum posters don't use more care when tossing these words about.

Anyway - all of you should already know this - but I can't blame you for being misled. I see bad media info all day long.


If you insist on the Chinese report being 100% conclusive, here's a CDC report showing the opposite (i.e., asymptomatic transmission does indeed happen):


https://wwwnc.cdc.gov/eid/article/26/11/20-3353_article

Lockdown forever!
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Old 12-29-2020, 10:24 AM
 
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"Nature Communications" is an open access journal accessible only online. "Open Access" means any manuscript will be published for a fee. Any "research" article published on "Nature Communications," was purchased by the authors/researchers.

Reputable peer review research journals do not charge a fee for publication but rather the research manuscript is subject to intense review by a panel of researchers expert in the subject manner of the manuscript.

In other words, when a fee gets a manuscript published rather than stringent peer review, that research is usually junk.
Not true. Open Access journals can still be peer-reviewed. I doubt that Nature, the most prestigious publication in the world, would publish anything that was not peer-reviewed, unless described as opinion. I definitely would not say that open access articles are usually "junk".

In order to read a peer-reviewed article you usually need to have a subscription. Open Access was created so that the general public can read it without a subscription or purchasing an article, by shifting the cost from the reader to the author. You make it sound like they will publish anything you write, as long as you pay the fee. That's not true.
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