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Old 12-29-2020, 10:27 AM
 
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I'm not advocating "lockdown forever." But look around - hospitals in some locales are indeed over-run.


What is your solution? Complain more? Post a real solution or stop whining.
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Old 12-29-2020, 10:34 AM
 
Location: Just over the horizon
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ironically I read your post wrong. Even more ironically you read mine wrong.


So how about just answering the question?

Why aren't essential workers dropping dead left and right?

.... when they've been out there in the middle of this since day one and exposed to dozens or even hundreds of people every day......many of which were not wearing masks for a long time and some still don't?
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Old 12-29-2020, 10:44 AM
 
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Lots of poor information in this post - maybe too late to stop this freight train, but please try to read and understand this.

You are contagious before you have symptoms. This does not mean you are asymptomatic. It means you are pre-symptomatic. The terms are not synonymous. The Chinese report is about asymptomatic cases. You wear a mask because of pre-symptomatic cases (mainly). We already knew true asymptomatic transmission is rare, because we already know that true asymptomatic CASES are rare - and this report proves that, too.



https://www.miamiherald.com/news/cor...247318654.html


The Chinese report - intriguing - of 10 million people - only 300 were truly asymptomatic. It changes nothing.

It is unfortunate that authors, doctors, scientists, and forum posters don't use more care when tossing these words about.

Anyway - all of you should already know this - but I can't blame you for being misled. I see bad media info all day long.


If you insist on the Chinese report being 100% conclusive, here's a CDC report showing the opposite (i.e., asymptomatic transmission does indeed happen):


https://wwwnc.cdc.gov/eid/article/26/11/20-3353_article



It doesn't really matter how you frame it, asymptomatic vs pre symptomatic....

The fact is that if NON symptomatic spread was as big a problem as it was billed to be.....

The numbers would be MUCH worse than they are.

(Remember, it was touted as being the entire justification for the shutdowns in the first place to "flatten the curve" and also, people were much more resistant to wearing masks for the first few months than they are now)
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Old 12-29-2020, 12:29 PM
 
Location: Midwest
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That doesn’t seem accurate a all based on what I’ve looked up. Do you have a source?

From my understanding the fee is so that people have open access to the science and don’t have studies hidden behind paywalls.
Here you go: https://thewalrus.ca/the-rise-of-junk-science/

Those of us who have conducted valid research steer away from having our manuscripts published in open access journals.

Open access journals are often used by companies to publish junk research to plug their product.
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Old 12-29-2020, 12:54 PM
 
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Not true. Open Access journals can still be peer-reviewed. I doubt that Nature, the most prestigious publication in the world, would publish anything that was not peer-reviewed, unless described as opinion. I definitely would not say that open access articles are usually "junk".

In order to read a peer-reviewed article you usually need to have a subscription. Open Access was created so that the general public can read it without a subscription or purchasing an article, by shifting the cost from the reader to the author. You make it sound like they will publish anything you write, as long as you pay the fee. That's not true.
Open access journals have become a blight in the scientific community. Since an author pays to have his manuscript published, the more manuscripts an open access journal accepts, the more money it makes. The author gains another "published research" in his/her CV. Problem is that the research has often been rejected by reputable journals that conduct a vigorous peer review.

Hence junk science bombards its way into the public under the disguise as valid and reliable research. The Chinese publish their junk quite frequently in open access journals.
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Old 12-29-2020, 01:34 PM
 
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"Nature Communications" is an open access journal accessible only online. "Open Access" means any manuscript will be published for a fee. Any "research" article published on "Nature Communications," was purchased by the authors/researchers.

Reputable peer review research journals do not charge a fee for publication but rather the research manuscript is subject to intense review by a panel of researchers expert in the subject manner of the manuscript.

In other words, when a fee gets a manuscript published rather than stringent peer review, that research is usually junk.
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Here you go: https://thewalrus.ca/the-rise-of-junk-science/

Those of us who have conducted valid research steer away from having our manuscripts published in open access journals.

Open access journals are often used by companies to publish junk research to plug their product.

Nature Communications is a subjournal of Nature Publishing Group. There is literally no more reputable publishing group.
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Old 12-29-2020, 01:40 PM
 
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Governors used CDC lies to justify lockdowns. Now we see that they were totally unnecessary. The evil lockdowns implemented all over our country by power-hungry governors will cause suffering for many years.

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WUHAN, China, December 23, 2020 (LifeSiteNews) – A study of almost 10 million people in Wuhan, China, found that asymptomatic spread of COVID-19 did not occur at all, thus undermining the need for lockdowns, which are built on the premise of the virus being unwittingly spread by infectious, asymptomatic people.

https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/as...K7IJYxaFdz_c80
If they went to those lengths to justify shutting things down...why in the world would they have turned around later and 'allowed' everything to re open again? LOL Thats NOT what dictators or tyrants do...why did they not find some reason to KEEP everything shut down?
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Old 12-29-2020, 02:58 PM
 
Location: Southern California
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CDC lies about everything they control...form your own opinions and go with it...can't change the CDC....
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Old 12-29-2020, 03:15 PM
 
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So how about just answering the question?

Why aren't essential workers dropping dead left and right?

.... when they've been out there in the middle of this since day one and exposed to dozens or even hundreds of people every day......many of which were not wearing masks for a long time and some still don't?
3000 people a day are dropping dead left and right, isn’t that jolting enough?
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Old 12-29-2020, 05:25 PM
 
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I'm not advocating "lockdown forever." But look around - hospitals in some locales are indeed over-run.


What is your solution? Complain more? Post a real solution or stop whining.
What is YOUr solution?

What is the end goal with Covid? No infections or deaths?

You realize that even with a vaccine there are still deaths from the flu?
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