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Yes, hundreds of people had pushed their way into the capitol, never fired a shot, never threatened anyone. Ashli then tried to climb through a doorway where the glass had already been busted out, barely popped her head through and got shot in the neck.
This cop is obviously a hero who stopped a violent thug intent on harming our elected representatives. He protected his own life and the lives of others who were in imminent danger. He was a brave officer, battling back insurgents, in what was obviously a failed coup. He deserves the medal of freedom. I wish every cop was as brave as him.
That is what you people sound like. ****ing insane.
And you sound insane because you don't understand that when an agent is told to keep a zone secure that is what this agent does. When you are assaulting a building and it's occupants it is not a walk in the park where you can expect to not be shot, it's a keep your eyes open and when there are 3 guys in black suits aiming a gun at you DO NOT move forward towards them.
Interesting to see posters' response to this, versus response of other police shootings... It is almost like you justify the shooting or not depending if you like the person being shot or not.
Hardly.
Do you consider an assault on the POTUS equivalent to an assault on some person off the street?
Do you consider an assault on the Capitol while Congress is in session equivalent to an assault on just any business with regular office workers?
An assault on some person or some building doesn't equate to an act of sedition. An assault on an Capitol while Congress is in session IS an act of sedition.
The Capitol police isn't just like "other police". They are task with the protection of Congress similar to the Secret Service is tasked with the protection of the POTUS. They are not tasked to maintain the peace of an area (city/town etc). Look up the mission statement of the Capitol police and compare it to the mission statement of the DC metro police. They are not even close to the same.
So no... this isn't about justification because there is no comparison to "other police shootings".
There were also seven swat team members in plain view right behind her. the victim posed no threat to her murderer.
A person who is shot while storming the Capitol to attack Congress while it is performing it's constititional duty to count votes and certify an election is some kind of victim? In what universe?
There were a half-dozen cops in the stairwell behind her, one in a cubby to the left, another down the hallway, hard to say when she got there or whether she even saw the guy in the cubby with the gun before trying to climb through the window.
In any case, my main objection to it is that, it wasn't like the cops were exchanging fire with the protesters. They weren't insurgents. If the cops had wanted to stop them from trying to push through the barricades, there were like 8 cops, many with assault rifles, within 20 feet of her. They took a somewhat hands-off approach, made no attempt to physically stop her, gave no warning, the cop just popped out and shot her the moment her head cleared the door-frame.
This was an obvious mistake by the capitol police. The cop overreacted and killed someone needlessly. He isn't some kind of hero who was forced to defend himself, he was never in any danger and he knew that.
He shouldn't be a police officer. Guy obviously has mental problems. And the people defending him also seem to have mental problems, called being an *******.
These IED's weren't at the capitol. And what was the time-frame? Were these found before or after she was shot? Did the cop who shot her even know about them? Did he shoot her because she had a backpack on which he believed had pipebombs in, where I guess she was going to run down the hallway throwing them at people?
There is no evidence that the cop even knew she had on a backpack, and if she had a backpack full of pipebombs, why not just throw one at the cop and blow up the barricade?
You're grasping at straws, and you know that had nothing to do with what happened at the capitol. So why do you insist on arguing with me?
The officer certainly knew the Capitol was being stormed.
A Capitol police officer who was beaten with a fire extinguisher just died after being on life support
An officer was pulled into the crowd was beaten
Over fifty law enforcement officers were injured.
There was absolutely nothing peaceful or civilized about this.
The officer did his or her job.
The officer certainly knew the Capitol was being stormed.
A Capitol police officer who was beaten with a fire extinguisher just died after being on life support
An officer was pulled into the crowd was beaten
Over fifty law enforcement officers were injured.
There was absolutely nothing peaceful or civilized about this.
The officer did his or her job.
What happened to backing the blue from the trump supporters?
I saw no reason she should have been shot. She was not armed and could have easily been taken into custody or hit over the head with a baton after climbing through the window. The cop was in no immediate danger nor were any lives in danger.
She had no more reason to be shot climbing through that window than looters climbing through a broken window at a Target store being looted. If this is a "justified shooting" then the police need to start shooting looters entering property.
You are a single officer among a mob of 100s and you expect him to take a single person into custody... There is no way he could have assessed that she was unarmed.. The mere act of breaching the Capitol building and attempting to get passed a barricade is in of itself a threat on those who are in their offices sheltering in place.
This isn't about the Capitol officer being in immediate danger... this is about securing those he is tasked to protect after a secured perimeter is breached.
Here is the mission statement of the Capitol Police:
"Protect the Congress – its Members, employees, visitors, and facilities – so it can fulfill its constitutional and legislative responsibilities in a safe, secure and open environment."
Look up the mission statement of a DC metro police. They are completely different.
He isn't a traditional police officer task with maintaining peace and protecting all people within a certain area like a city/town etc... including potential criminals. A Capitol police officer is task to protect Congress.. they are a protective detail similar to Secret Service protecting the president.
An attempted assault on the POTUS will be dealt much more severely by the Secret Service than an assault on some person by regular uniformed police. An attempt to assault Congress is going to be dealt with much more severely by Capitol police than an assault on some regular joe/group somewhere.
Please stop wasting your typing skills on this issue as you cannot possibly be correct that HE KNEW he was in NO DANGER. A guy doesn't shoot someone if he felt no danger was in sight. All he knows is a terrorist was jumping through a window in the zone he was supposed to keep secure and that's what he did. This was NOT ROMPER ROOM FUN TIME PLAY HOUSE, this is real world stuff. You don't get a second chance. If she got through, had a bomb and ran into the room 6 feet away and killed VIP's we'd be in a whole other mess.
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Originally Posted by Poseidon3290
And you sound insane because you don't understand that when an agent is told to keep a zone secure that is what this agent does. When you are assaulting a building and it's occupants it is not a walk in the park where you can expect to not be shot, it's a keep your eyes open and when there are 3 guys in black suits aiming a gun at you DO NOT move forward towards them.
He may have just believed it was his job to prevent anyone from coming through the barricade. He might have shot anyone, or anything that came through that doorway, even a child with a backpack, not because he believed he was in danger, but because he believed he was authorized/assigned to do. Seal the area, shoot anyone who tries to enter.
That would be a perfectly reasonable explanation for what happened. But if so, how do you feel about that?
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There is no way he could have assessed that she was unarmed.. The mere act of breaching the Capitol building and attempting to get passed a barricade is in of itself a threat on those who are in their offices sheltering in place.