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Old 01-25-2021, 01:14 PM
 
Location: Prepperland
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Originally Posted by Ex New Yorker View Post
That is a Constitutional Republic if we can keep it. Why anyone would be against that is beyond me? My guess is they have no idea of what a Constitutional Republic is and why our country was founded on that principle. Indeed a Democracy is thee most vile form of governing. Those that wish for that better be careful of what they wish for as they could one day find themselves in the minority.
Sorry to disagree, but that's the propaganda version.
The republican form is not synonymous with a republic, and it existed BEFORE the constitution, therefore can not be a "Constitutional Republic. FWIW - the Peoples Republic of China is a republic but NOT a republican form.
. . .

In a republican form, all men are created equal (before the law) and have Creator endowed rights that governments were instituted to secure. . . and nothing more without consent of the governed.
That means that the original delegation is to adjudicate disputes, prosecute criminals, and defend against all enemies, foreign or domestic.
BUT
Once you grant consent to govern, all bets are off, shut up, sit down, pay and obey.


The current socialist democracy is what most people think is the "constitutional republic."



SOVEREIGNS WITHOUT SUBJECTS
“... at the Revolution, the sovereignty devolved on the people, and they are truly the sovereigns of the country, but they are sovereigns without subjects, and have none to govern but themselves. . .
“... In Europe, the sovereignty is generally ascribed to the Prince; here, it rests with the people; there, the sovereign actually administers the government; here, never in a single instance; our Governors are the agents of the people, and, at most, stand in the same relation to their sovereign in which regents in Europe stand to their sovereigns.”
- - - Justice John Jay, Chisholm v. Georgia, 2 U.S. 2 Dall. 419 419 (1793)
https://www.law.cornell.edu/supremec...CR_0002_0419_Z

Under American Law

“All men” -“The People”- Americans are sovereigns without subjects.
“The government” serves (not rules) the sovereign people.
But those who consent to be governed (in order to participate) are subjects of that sovereign government... citizens.


If you awaken to the fact that Americans are sovereigns and not subject citizens, unless they consent, you will have voided the indoctrination that has brainwashed the nation for decades.
Once out of their vile democracy, where the majority can legally persecute a minority, the birthright is restored and you are a beneficiary of the republican form of government once more.
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Old 01-25-2021, 01:18 PM
 
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Biden has already implemented some pretty toxic policies, but he's only a few days in. Let's give him a chance.
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Old 01-25-2021, 01:24 PM
 
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Oh yeah, Biden - the best President ever. *guffaw*





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Old 01-25-2021, 01:29 PM
 
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I doubt it will happen but for this country I hope it is true.

I said the same about Obama and was disappointed.

Can we all get together and at least HOPE he is great?
your going to have to wait for me to process the hate and bigotry from the left over the last 4 years.
i hope and pray that America survives and thrives.
it only took joe 1 day to kill 10k jobs and offer up the empathetic "they can get new jobs" retort for me to see him as something other than.... best...


so i only promise not to act like my leftist bigoted fellow citizens.
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Old 01-25-2021, 01:34 PM
 
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Biden has already implemented some pretty toxic policies, but he's only a few days in. Let's give him a chance.
I had high hopes too, but he has been terrible so far. I'll give him some more time though.
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Old 01-25-2021, 01:43 PM
 
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He can't be best president, the dementia will get him, and for now I have to believe the drugs he's being fed keep him going...time will all tell, won't it.


https://gellerreport.com/2020/09/sho...dementia.html/

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Old 01-25-2021, 01:53 PM
 
Location: Arizona
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Sorry to disagree, but that's the propaganda version.
The republican form is not synonymous with a republic, and it existed BEFORE the constitution, therefore can not be a "Constitutional Republic. FWIW - the Peoples Republic of China is a republic but NOT a republican form.
. . .

In a republican form, all men are created equal (before the law) and have Creator endowed rights that governments were instituted to secure. . . and nothing more without consent of the governed.
That means that the original delegation is to adjudicate disputes, prosecute criminals, and defend against all enemies, foreign or domestic.
BUT
Once you grant consent to govern, all bets are off, shut up, sit down, pay and obey.


The current socialist democracy is what most people think is the "constitutional republic."



SOVEREIGNS WITHOUT SUBJECTS
“... at the Revolution, the sovereignty devolved on the people, and they are truly the sovereigns of the country, but they are sovereigns without subjects, and have none to govern but themselves. . .
“... In Europe, the sovereignty is generally ascribed to the Prince; here, it rests with the people; there, the sovereign actually administers the government; here, never in a single instance; our Governors are the agents of the people, and, at most, stand in the same relation to their sovereign in which regents in Europe stand to their sovereigns.”
- - - Justice John Jay, Chisholm v. Georgia, 2 U.S. 2 Dall. 419 419 (1793)
https://www.law.cornell.edu/supremec...CR_0002_0419_Z

Under American Law

“All men” -“The People”- Americans are sovereigns without subjects.
“The government” serves (not rules) the sovereign people.
But those who consent to be governed (in order to participate) are subjects of that sovereign government... citizens.


If you awaken to the fact that Americans are sovereigns and not subject citizens, unless they consent, you will have voided the indoctrination that has brainwashed the nation for decades.
Once out of their vile democracy, where the majority can legally persecute a minority, the birthright is restored and you are a beneficiary of the republican form of government once more.
I just don't understand how anything you posted relates to whether this nation was originally founded as a Constitutional Republic or not? This has nothing to do what some people may think it is. Or what this country may have evolved into or what we are evolving into. I certainly do not like the direction we are headed that's for sure a "socialist democracy" if you will. Myself I call it an authoritarian socialist aristocracy ruled by oligarchs. We are indeed becoming subjects however that was never the founders intention. Unfortunately "we the people" are allowing our corrupt government and judiciary to get away it. Every time I hear the word Democracy I want to puke.

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Constitutional Republic - Definition, Examples, Cases, Processes
https://legaldictionary.net/constitutional-republic/
Nov 19, 2016 · A constitutional republic is a form of government in which a representative is elected by the people to govern over them, according to the rules established in the law of the land. An example of a constitutional republic is the United States’ form of government.

Constitutional Republic Law and Legal Definition | USLegal, Inc.
https://definitions.uslegal.com/c/co...onal-republic/
A constitutional republic refers to a form of government, where the head of state and other officials are representatives of the people and which governs in accordance with existing constitutional law. It is a government of laws not of men.

What Is a Constitutional Republic?
https://www.reference.com/world-view...17d72fb1a1e9f4
Apr 16, 2020 · A constitutional republic is a type of government in which the officials are elected by the people. The republic must govern according to the laws of the constitution, and its actions are subject to judicial review. Although many people consider it a democracy, the United States is actually a constitutional republic.

Constitutional Republic - Conservapedia
https://conservapedia.com/Constitutional_Republic
Apr 02, 2019 · A Constitutional Republic is the current form of government in the United States, which the founding fathers did not intend to be a democracy. However, in recent years, many people have criticized the federal government for moving away from a Constitutional Republic, as defined by the Constitution, and towards a pure democracy.

Constitutional Republic Definition|Define Constitutional Republic
https://www.governmentvs.com/en/cons...on/model-47-11
Constitutional Republic can be briefly defined as A type of republic governed only on the basis of a constitution. When elected representatives govern a system then it is called as a Republic. A Republic which is based upon a constitution is called as a Constitutional Republic.

Republic vs. Democracy: What Is the Difference?
https://www.thoughtco.com/republic-vs-democracy-4169936
Nov 02, 2020 · In a republic, an official set of fundamental laws, like the U.S. Constitution and Bill of Rights, prohibits the government from limiting or taking away certain “inalienable” rights of the people, even if that government was freely chosen by a majority of the people. In a pure democracy, the voting majority has almost limitless power over the minority.
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Old 01-25-2021, 01:59 PM
 
Location: Arizona
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Oh yeah, Biden - the best President ever. *guffaw*





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Old 01-25-2021, 02:18 PM
 
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I doubt it will happen but for this country I hope it is true.

I said the same about Obama and was disappointed.

Can we all get together and at least HOPE he is great?
That ship has sailed !!!

He told everyone the harm and destruction to America he was going to pursue and he started down that path on day one !!!
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Old 01-25-2021, 02:24 PM
 
Location: Northridge/Porter Ranch, Calif.
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To quote Limbaugh: "I hope he fails". By that, I mean he's the best president EVER. Because his policies are completely opposite of what is good for America.
You are misquoting what Limbaugh said. He said it about Obama and he said, "I hope his policies fail."
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