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I agree with you, they should not have named bases after Confederate Generals. Look, Fort Bragg was named in 1918. My grandfather wasn’t even alive in 1918. So are we really going to act like we fully understand the thought process of people in 1918?
It’s so easy to make decisions based on hindsight, which is exactly what we are doing now. I’m very different than a person who lived 100 years ago. If I went to 1918 Fayetteville, NC and walked around and started spouting off that it’s a dumb idea to name the base Fort Bragg, I’d probably be run out of town.
Anyway, that’s just a small part of the problem. They aren’t going to stop at Bragg or Hood or Gordon, etc.
Washington and Lincoln and Roosevelt are also in the cross hairs.
This thing is rapidly becoming something else altogether. It’s not just about combatting racism, it’s about destroying history in order to remake society.
So when Washington is erased, the 4th of July is cancelled, etc. don’t be surprised.
I think that’s why people have chosen to take a stand on Robert E. Lee, because they know he’s not the real goal. The real goal is destroying the entire history of America. Exactly like ISIS did over there.
I don't think that is the goal outside of a few extremists, mostly young people who don't really understand history. I do agree things are going overboard, and too many are being canceled for simply living in the times they lived in (Kate Smith). That said however, no black child should ever have to walk into an elementary school called Robert E. Lee Elementary. And I agree it's nuts to name military bases after war enemies. It really makes no sense at all.
........And I agree it's nuts to name military bases after war enemies. It really makes no sense at all.
May be. In one of my unpublished novels there is the Heroine who slaughtered the empire who slaughtered her people. The Lord she served rewarded her with a major command and her own ship which she named after the vanquished empire............................
.................................It was not to honor them but so others would know who it was who had defeated them.
After all, what does not kill us makes us stronger.
It may be little much into fantasy for some to name things because they are inspiring, but then again, what is the Audacity, the Antelope, or the Sir Galahad..........though I will admit, I do giggle about the Oberon.
May be. In one of my unpublished novels there is the Heroine who slaughtered the empire who slaughtered her people. The Lord she served rewarded her with a major command and her own ship which she named after the vanquished empire............................
.................................It was not to honor them but so others would know who it was who had defeated them.
After all, what does not kill us makes us stronger.
It may be little much into fantasy for some to name things because they are inspiring, but then again, what is the Audacity, the Antelope, or the Sir Galahad..........though I will admit, I do giggle about the Oberon.
I'm afraid the above is over my head, lol. The last fantasy of any type I can recall reading is Watership Down, and that was many, many moons ago.
As if nobody who ever fought against the ol' US of A could possibly have done so nobly.
Do you believe the UK would be justified in treating us Americans with similar pompous disdain?
What about the Native American tribes?
That's a very curious question you ask. I'm not sure why, since it does NOTHING to prove any point.
Of course the UK wouldn't be justified in treating us the same way about our flag.
That's why they DON'T.
It's not even the same set of considerations.
For one thing, there's nobody in Britain that ever had a reason to fly the American flag to honor some heritage. It was never put up. So they don't have anything to take down.
I'm afraid the above is over my head, lol. The last fantasy of any type I can recall reading is Watership Down, and that was many, many moons ago.
The Brits tend to name their ships after such concepts. The Sir Galahad was a landing ship lost in the Falkands as was, that a Type 21 frigate (and Vosper Thornycroft made some very beautiful ships!), the Antelope.
As for Audacity, one ship so named was an escort carrier. For me, "Audacity" is one of my personal inspirational words for I won't barriers stop me, I will show up where I am not expected, when others would have turned back....or at least, back when I was a God.
To more the point, naming things for concepts that stir up the emotions because it was a great story may have more benefit to the crew than something real. With a concept, one can keep only what they want and disregard the rest because, after all, what is real is only in the mind of the holder.
As to the giggle about Oberon? Serving in the Navy on a boat named for the King of the Fairies must make one the most hard fighting, hard punching crew around.......but what a sword to have hanging over one's head from the first moment they step aboard.
Sort of along the lines of what a stressful job standing the quarterdeck watch on the Coast Guard cutter Tampa must be.
At this point, just put numbers on everything and forget about it. Of course, I’m operating on the assumption that numbers won’t be offensive in the future?
Same with bases.
In Korea, all the Air Bases, in addition to them being named, also have a “K” designator. For example, Osan is K-55, Kunsan is K-8, Daegu is K-2, Seoul AB is K-16, etc.
They should just do that in CONUS. For example, Fort Bragg would be renamed N-15 or whatever.
Do it for ALL of them now, even if they are clear in the present day. An example would be Fort Leonard Wood. He wasn’t a Confederate General nor did he fight for the Confederacy, but he did ride with the Rough Riders and Roosevelt, so rest assured, someone somewhere is upset about him.
I’m sure he wouldn’t like being called “Lost in the Woods” anyway.
To late, there is a band called 311.....some figure out that in their minds 311 meant 3 of the 11th letter in the alphabet, whats the 11th letter....K so 3 K's = KKK.....
To late, there is a band called 311.....some figure out that in their minds 311 meant 3 of the 11th letter in the alphabet, whats the 11th letter....K so 3 K's = KKK.....
In most peoples limited way of thinking, I can see that but then again, I am reminded of CII in Trevanian's "The Eiger Sanction". Real quick, "At the end of WWII, there were about 102 odd spy agencies. Rather than dissolve them and release such people on the general public, they were formed into one agency, CII. Outsiders thought this meant "Central Intelligence Institute" but in reality........it was the Roman numerial, 102."
Myself, I change passwords by changing the language or numbering system them are in. So, say, CII could be Roman this week.....but translated, maybe using a B 8 approach, into Hex next.
So, what's in a name? A, B, and C. A: If you tell everyone what it means, then it is pretty clear. B: But if you don't, leave it to others to figure it out, it can have one meaning to the creator but perhaps another to the reader.
And C: Given what the world is today, someone is bound to find a meaning not to one's advantage but to theirs and will try to make it stick.
One other thing about ship names and a suggestion to make them very impersonal. Back in the Cold War, one of my jobs as that sh12ty little jobs officer was ship's morale fund. If one is on, say the Austin or the New Jersey, one might go out to the city or state to see if they can get money from there, let the people feel good about supporting their ship, their crew.........
.............wouldn't be as easy if everything was named A1, A2, A3, A4 (wouldn't that be a blast!), etc.....
Star Trek had an interesting way of naming ships and ship classes. Not that Star Trek is necessarily the best life coach of all time, but it seems for a while that the writers likes to name ships and classes after geographical landmarks. Something like the USS Tahoe or USS Pocono has a certain ring to it, and has some precedent. Naming ships after people is fraught with a much wider array of malcontent later on; and naming after battles can be similarly fraught to begin with.
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