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A NYT article today classified countries, governments, etc., as either "technocratic progressive" or "populist conservative."
I think that is a pretty accurate description of how red and blue are divided these days. Democrats are "technocrats," meaning they have faith in experts and in central planning and control. Republicans are the skeptics now -- some are actually conspiracy theorists, but anyone who doubts is accused of being a conspiracy theorist.
I see this in the people I know, and on facebook and on forums like this.
A NYT article today classified countries, governments, etc., as either "technocratic progressive" or "populist conservative."
I think that is a pretty accurate description of how red and blue are divided these days. Democrats are "technocrats," meaning they have faith in experts and in central planning and control. Republicans are the skeptics now -- some are actually conspiracy theorists, but anyone who doubts is accused of being a conspiracy theorist.
I see this in the people I know, and on facebook and on forums like this.
NYT writers are morons. They only see things through their own prism of righteousness and New Yorkers are among the most parochial people in the country. They don't understand that they are the ones who are different.
The question is much more basic: are we individuals who are free to believe, think, and do as we wish, assuming we are not denying others that same freedom, or are we collective slaves to the state and mob?
The right wants individual liberty, the left wants to reinstate chattel slavery with the plantation owned by the state.
NYT writers are morons. They only see things through their own prism of righteousness and New Yorkers are among the most parochial people in the country. They don't understand that they are the ones who are different.
Well, that wasn't the point. I know the NYT is biased. I just happen to agree with their classification of technocrats vs populists. That isn't the only red-blue difference, but it's a big one these days.
Last edited by Good4Nothin; 02-05-2021 at 08:01 PM..
Is that what the NY Times thinks of itself... as a technocratic progressive? Haha
OP mention conspiracy theorists...
Q: How come Trump/Russia collusion is not characterized as a 2.5 year long conspiracy theory?
A: The technocratic progressives choose not to define themselves as conspiracy theorists - therefore, it isn't possible that they can create conspiracies.
The question is much more basic: are we individuals who are free to believe, think, and do as we wish, assuming we are not denying others that same freedom, or are we collective slaves to the state and mob?
The right wants individual liberty, the left wants to reinstate chattel slavery with the plantation owned by the state.
Except "the right" isn't remotely as uniform as you're alluding to.
The right consists of Libertarians who aren't fond of most Mainstream Republican politicians, devoted GOP voters who will vote for anyone who isn't a Democrat or Liberal, populists and centrists who don't really abide by strict Republican principles such as Trump and Rand Paul, socially conservative Christians/Evangelicals aka "the Moral Right", and a fringe group of far right nationalists(national or racial) who are mostly concerned with demographics and immigration.
And, contrary to popular belief, these various factions of "the right" are often at odds with each other, albeit they'll sometimes band together to make sure a Republican secures the Presidential nomination.
"The Left" similarly varies a lot.
Last edited by GuitarHero45; 02-05-2021 at 08:03 PM..
The question is much more basic: are we individuals who are free to believe, think, and do as we wish, assuming we are not denying others that same freedom, or are we collective slaves to the state and mob?
The right wants individual liberty, the left wants to reinstate chattel slavery with the plantation owned by the state.
It could be described that way, but the "left" does not see it like that. They think "collectivism" means being social and compassionate and caring about others. While "individual liberty" means selfishness and greed.
Well, that wasn't the point. i know the NYT is biased. I just happen to agree with their classification of technocrats vs populists. That isn't the only red-blue difference, but it's a big one these days.
That's my point. Its not the only one. And its not significant in a lot of other countries. And its not a good description of the Republicans who the NYT is clueless on. The populists are a minority of the Republicans, just a lot more numerous than in 2008 and 2012 when many were Democrats.
Is that what the NY Times thinks of itself... as a technocratic progressive? Haha
OP mention conspiracy theorists...
Q: How come Trump/Russia collusion is not characterized as a 2.5 year long conspiracy theory?
A: The technocratic progressives choose not to define themselves as conspiracy theorists - therefore, it isn't possible that they can create conspiracies.
They define themselves as smart and honest and compassionate. They see all opponents as the opposite.
Except "the right" isn't remotely as uniform as you're alluding to.
The right consists of Libertarians who aren't fond of most Mainstream Republican politicians, devoted GOP voters who will vote for anyone who isn't a Democrat or Liberal, populists and centrists who don't really abide by strict Republican principles such as Trump and Rand Paul, socially conservative Christians/Evangelicals aka "the Moral Right", and a fringe group of far right nationalists(national or racial) who are mostly concerned with demographics and immigration.
And, contrary to popular belief, these various factions of "the right" are often at odds with each other, albeit they'll sometimes band together to make sure a Republican secures the Presidential nomination.
"The Left" similarly varies a lot.
Yes of course. The red vs blue categories are a rough division, with many subcategories under each of them. And it can lead to dilemmas. For example, after 9/11 many progressives thought it was an inside job, because they hated and distrusted GW Bush. So they were conspiracy theorists.
Now, the same person who was a 9/11 truther, has to either stop questioning the pronouncements of authorities, or has to stop being a progressive.
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