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Old 02-09-2021, 03:48 AM
 
Location: Richmond, VA
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Well, except what you call a "power grab" was actually the Senate exercising a prerogative that has existed since the day the Constitution was ratified -- in a manner that comports with historical precedent no less -- while the Democrats are trying to cement one-party rule over the electoral process for the foreseeable future.

But other than that your analogy is spot-on.

Oh, and Robert Bork called. He said "thanks for making my name a verb."
That's your interpretation. It appears some believe exercising power in an unusual manner, but within the bounds of the Constitution, when done by the right (e.g. ignoring Justice Garland, installing Justice Coney Barrett), is just good hardball government.

When done by the left, it's beyond the pale.

Wasn't it Bannon who said "Our side, we go for the head wound. Your side, you have pillow fights."
I think the Democrats are starting to learn about head shots and ignoring the disingenuous comments about fairness and precedent.
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Old 02-09-2021, 04:48 AM
 
Location: Annandale, VA
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Virginia and Maryland should sue to get their land and taxpayers back. No state can be formed from the land of another state. This has been true since Reconstruction.
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Old 02-09-2021, 04:58 AM
 
Location: Prepperland
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If DC becomes a state among the United States, it ceases to be the federal capital.
Where should the Feds go?

If DC becomes a state and remains the capital, it is now a superior political state. Not good.

Under the Articles they tried to run the "United States, in Congress assembled" within another state. Got messy. That's why one of the changes was to grant a small bit of land for a federal district, that Congress would be sovereign over.

If DC wants to be a state, just revert the land back to Maryland.

We could always move the new Federal capital to the geographic center of America.
Let's imagine relocating the nation's capital from foggy bottom, to a new central location we will call City of Jefferson, District of New Columbia.

It is not impossible to amend the constitution, and give a grant of land to form a new Federal district, independent of any state.

As to relocating to a place close to the geographic center, which is located (in a 1918 survey) at 39°50′N 98°35′W, in Kansas about 2.6 miles (4.2 km) northwest of the center of Lebanon, approximately 12 miles (19 km) south of the Kansas-Nebraska border... why not?

In fact, the new grant might be increased from 10 miles x 10 miles, to perhaps 20 miles x 20 miles, to better accommodate the expansion of the government's administrative and military offices.
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Old 02-09-2021, 05:12 AM
 
Location: OH->FL->NJ
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DC statehood would be a Democrat power grab
This.

Retrocession into MD would be okay if they want it. DC was made the way it was in the constitution long before the current parties were formed in their current configuration.
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Old 02-09-2021, 05:37 AM
 
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everyone should be saying this should not happen, at least not just with a congressional vote


the fact is that The US Constitution designed the capitol be a federal district, and the district is therefore not a part of any U.S. state. The states of Maryland and Virginia each donated land to form the federal district.


The District of Columbia Voting rights Amendment would allow DC residents to vote in Maryland or Virginia for their congressional representatives, with the District of Columbia remaining an independent entity. This was in effect from 1790 to 1801, and should be re-instated




Democrats can NOT MAKE DC a state...its a voted choice of that territory(district) , then voted by congress, then must be approved by 3/4 of the other 50 states
Admission of a new state doesn't require approval of the current states.
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Old 02-09-2021, 06:03 AM
 
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A power grab was the rush job of ACB to the SCOTUS breaking Republicans' own precedent about filling SCOTUS vacancies in an election year.

As for DC statehood, it is totally a power grab. But, you have to fight fire with fire. You just can't call it fighting or fire.

You don't need 3/4 approval by states to admit another state. The Constitution Article IV Section 3 allows admittance by an Act of Congress. No need for 3/4 approval. This isn't an amendment. It also reads:

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New States may be admitted by the Congress into this Union; but no new State shall be formed or erected within the Jurisdiction of any other State
DC is not a part of any state. A federal district can be excised from DC to include the Capitol, White House and other federal buildings and leave the rest of DC as a state.

I do understand the "no taxation without representation" aspect. How about making DC a tax-free zone? Otherwise, they need representation. The best time to do anything about statehood is after the census and before reallocation of representatives to states. Whatever state was going to lose a rep (like NY) will simply have it allocated to DC instead.
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Old 02-09-2021, 06:09 AM
 
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Alaska is a huge territory with lots of natural resources and adds a lot to our nation. DC offers nothing but two senate seats for the dems. People need to stop the disingeniousness. This is about dems grabbing for political power, as is their desire for packing the courts, which will be their next move.
Too much to ask from democrats on this board. Far too much. If their leaders said to gas all republicans, jews, blacks, somehow they would justify it. I have yet to see democrats stand up to their party when they are obviously doing something that will hurt American jobs or the security of the country. They just march in lockstep.
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Old 02-09-2021, 06:13 AM
 
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That was the argument when Alaska was granted statehood. Guess what happened.
This doesn't disprove that the only reason Democrats want to do this is to gain two U.S. senators. That is the only reason, and you know it. I'm not sure why you can't admit it.
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Old 02-09-2021, 06:18 AM
 
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Other than the people that live in DC and pay taxes without representation.

Didn't you guys fight a war over that against someone?
Which has been the case for centuries, without D.C. being made into a state. Like all American cities, the vast majority of people who work in Washington, D.C. don't live in the actual city. Anyone who wants representation can move a few miles down the road to Maryland or Virginia. A mid-sized city that you could walk across in an afternoon being represented in the senate by two U.S. senators is ridiculous. That would be like Pittsburgh or Cleveland having two of their own U.S. senators.

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Old 02-09-2021, 06:28 AM
 
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Any historical scholars look into the founding documents for the District? Is there any provision that if the land ceases to be the federal capital District that it reverts back to the original states?
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