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Old 02-10-2021, 05:17 AM
 
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It's not 1776 anymore. The Founders sure as hell didn't imagine the capital being a metropolis of millions of people like it is now. Also, its use as a buffer zone for the security of the federal government is obsolete. Why the far right insists on denying them representation while decrying the excesses of the federal government is ridiculous. They should at least be returned to Maryland.


To the GOP, a majority-Democrat district with no representation is not a problem. It's a start.
"Why the far right insists on denying them representation"

Why is the LEFT IGNORING the Constitutions, AGAIN?

"The U.S. Constitution provided for a federal district under the exclusive jurisdiction of U.S. Congress"

The situation is simple, amend the Constitution if you believe you can.

You KNOW you can't, so you try to go around it. AGAIN.
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Old 02-10-2021, 06:48 AM
 
Location: Prepperland
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Ok, so the people of DC shouldn't be represented then.

They should start not paying taxes.
No Taxation Without Representation was the gripe during the REVOLUTIONARY WAR.


Under the republican form, no endowed rights are taxable - only government privileges.
Ergo, liability stems from consensual behavior - not based on some head tax.
If you wish to be a nontaxpayer, don't exercise the revenue taxable privilege.


It has nothing to do with democracy.
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Old 02-10-2021, 09:43 AM
 
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It’s about equal rights for all citizens.

Why do we have certain areas where people are taxes without representation? Something the country fought against and was a reason for independence?
Why are they living there? Nobody was supposed to live there except elected people from other states while they are serving at their elected offices.

If they want the right to vote and the right to full representation, they should move out of DC.
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Old 02-10-2021, 10:05 AM
 
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correct a MAXIMUN size of 10sq mi...for a FEDERAL DISTRICT ...not a state, not designed to be a state...CONSTITUTIONALLY DESIGNED to be a FEDERAL district, answering to NO STATE...… it would be unconstitutional to make DC a state...




but then again, what the heck...as Obama said, the constitution is an outdated, antiquated piece of paper
You don't seem to understand that the FEDERAL district can be much smaller than it is now. The remainder can then be a State, no constitutional amendment required.
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Old 02-10-2021, 10:08 AM
 
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"The U.S. Constitution provided for a federal district under the exclusive jurisdiction of U.S. Congress;"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Washington,_D.C.

Just another example of the left IGNORING the Constitutions. And they called Trump a "dictator"!
Once again, the Constitution only describes the maximum size, 10 sq miles, not the minimum size. The Constitution is being followed in this Bill. Read it.
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Old 02-10-2021, 10:13 AM
 
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It is going to to happen Joe and Sinema support it
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Old 02-10-2021, 10:31 AM
 
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I would not make DC a state but giving their delegate to the House a vote on the floor seems like a solid idea. Since DC isn't a state they shouldn't have senators but giving them a House representative gives those people representation. DC should NOT become a state. Puerto Rico, that's a different matter. But I'm pretty sure the last time they had a vote they said yes but it was super low turnout. I personally think making DC a state is just a power grab for extra senate seats for the Dems, but they are in power. It is what it is. I would probably just give that seat that New York loses to DC, and a state that would gain a seat wouldn't get it this cycle (I think it would be Montana which is about to earn another seat but it's average district size would be well below the national average if it added another seat). DC shouldn't be a state, but giving it a House vote seems sensible.
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Old 02-10-2021, 10:53 AM
 
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They don't want to secede. They're american citizens.
Right over your head.
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Old 02-10-2021, 11:04 AM
 
Location: Long Island
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You don't seem to understand that the FEDERAL district can be much smaller than it is now. The remainder can then be a State, no constitutional amendment required.
yes the federal district could be much smaller, but that still would not make for the remaining part of a CITY to be declared its own state




then you are not even considering the issues of what makes up the METRO part of said city:
a) while dc is about 700k people, the metro areas of said city include parts like Alexandria and Georgetown




not a big fan of wiki, but they word it pretty well


The U.S. Constitution provided for a federal district under the exclusive jurisdiction of U.S. Congress; the district is therefore not a part of any U.S. state. The signing of the Residence Act on July 16, 1790, approved the creation of a capital district located along the Potomac River near the country's East Coast. The City of Washington was founded in 1791 to serve as the national capital. The city is divided into quadrants centered on the Capitol Building.
In his Federalist No. 43, published January 23, 1788, James Madison argued that the new federal government would need authority over a national capital to provide for its own maintenance and safety.[SIZE=2][16][/SIZE] Five years earlier, a band of unpaid soldiers had besieged Congress while its members were meeting in Philadelphia. Known as the Pennsylvania Mutiny of 1783, the event emphasized the need for the national government not to rely on any state for its own security.[SIZE=2][17][/SIZE]
Article One, Section Eight, of the Constitution permits the establishment of a "District (not exceeding ten miles square) as may, by cession of particular states, and the acceptance of Congress, become the seat of the government of the United States"
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key point here


Article One, Section Eight of the United States Constitution grants the United States Congress "exclusive jurisdiction" over the city. The district did not have an elected local government until the passage of the 1973 Home Rule Act. The Act devolved certain Congressional powers to an elected mayor and the thirteen-member Council of the District of Columbia. However, Congress retains the right to review and overturn laws created by the council and intervene in local affairs




by law..the entire congress is their " Governor "


it (DC) has 435 representatives...they all work there,,..they all should be dedicated to their workplace, they all should (should) be caring about their home...DC is after all their home at least parttime….


if anything, DC is OVER REPRESENTED (at least on paper, because we all know our congress-critters don't care about dc, or even their own hometown, all they care about if power)




if DC was to become a state... establishing all the bureaucracy that a state requires, they would be the first state to go full bankrupt, and it would happen in the first 5 years of their 'creation', because as a state, they ceded some of the federal bennies


The mayor and council set local taxes and a budget, which must be approved by Congress. The Government Accountability Office and other analysts have estimated that the city's high percentage of tax-exempt property and the Congressional prohibition of commuter taxes create a structural deficit in the district's local budget of anywhere between $470 million and over $1 billion per year. Congress typically provides additional grants for federal programs such as Medicaid and the operation of the local justice system; however, analysts claim that the payments do not fully resolve the imbalance








now if this is all about "Voters rights".... then...District of Columbia Voting Rights Amendment: this option would allow DC residents to vote in Maryland or Virginia for their congressional representatives, with the District of Columbia remaining an independent entity...…..


I see this option as the best, gives those 700k a right to vote, yet still keeps DC as a federal district, no under any one state
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Old 02-10-2021, 11:42 AM
 
Location: Richmond, VA
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now if this is all about "Voters rights".... then...District of Columbia Voting Rights Amendment: this option would allow DC residents to vote in Maryland or Virginia for their congressional representatives, with the District of Columbia remaining an independent entity...…..


I see this option as the best, gives those 700k a right to vote, yet still keeps DC as a federal district, no under any one state
That's a pretty solid compromise there. Not forcing them back into Maryland, but now they have voting rights.
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