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[quote=EddieB.Good;60463864]Most are not situations where a cop's life is in danger. That's the lie y'all put out there to cover your butts, like when 6 of y'all are dog piling someone and justify the taser and kicks by yelling "stop resisting." Y'all have been trained to place yourselves in compromising positions that also give you the jump if you feel the situation is going south. Y'all actively escalate confrontations for the sake of trumping up charges against people bc how else do you get people booked w/the only charge being "resisting arrest"?
Now that I've been honest about how little respect i have for how American cops operate, are you going to be honest about how your directive for deadly force puts you in direct conflict for responding to mental health episodes? What's so hard to about that you guys are not qualified in training or temperament to be the lead responders in those situations?[/QUOTE
Another ridiculous post and it shows just how biased you are about the police. In fact your refusal to admit that most of the police shootings are because their life or a civilian is in danger shows how delusional you truly are. You could never be a cop. All you can be is a Monday morning quarterback and your risk of serious physical injury consists of carpal tunnel from your keyboard fantasies!
Another ridiculous post and it shows just how biased you are about the police. In fact your refusal to admit that most of the police shootings are because their life or a civilian is in danger shows how delusional you truly are. You could never be a cop. All you can be is a Monday morning quarterback and your risk of serious physical injury consists of carpal tunnel from your keyboard fantasies!
You can be upset about it as much as you like. Its the reality of how most people look at cops. You've been backing over too many kittens. Doesn't matter how few of you that do it is. Some of you took all the precautions, did your best, and still. bap. dead kitten. some of ya didnt even look and did it. And a couple of ya did it on purpose.
Everyone now looks at all of you based on the video of the one that did a fist bump after running one over.
Meanwhile in reality billions of rescued kittens. But we really do need less dead kittens. And even then its gonna take a long time for it to fade. And the fist bump guy? gotta go.
(note-not based on actual events, kittens are used as a example. Also I love my cat. No actual kittens harmed)
This is idiotic. Mental health and domestic abuse calls are far and away the most dangerous calls to respond to. How long until a social worker is killed? My aunt is a mental health professional and she has to call the police multiple times a day to deal with mental health crisis situations.
I am not sure how this is going to work, as the police are only usually called if the incident has turned violent or may be potentially violent. Medical professionals will call the police themselves in such instances.
In most countries the police and mental health services have close cooperation, and the police's role is generally to ensure that confused and disturbed individuals with the potential for violent and unpredictable behaviour are taken to a place of safety such as a psych ward or specialist unit.
Most people who are mentally ill are more of a harm to themselves than to others, however there have been some horrific incidents involving mentally ill individuals.
Oh lordy. I just got a call from our neighbor. Her son is a police officer in another town that was involved with a person of color that was acting erratically. He called an ambulance and the person in question was taken to the hospital. Supposedly, he was a doctor and is really ticked off at our neighbors son. He supposedly threatened to kill his family. I'm getting all of this second hand but something doesn't seem right. If you go into a police department and complain about an officer to the chief and then threaten to kill his family, why wasn't he arrested for that? So something doesn't seem right here. His sister is a police officer, his father is a retired police officer as well. I guess I'll be looking out my window a lot these next few nights.
Having somebody with mental health training with him might have made a difference, or maybe not if he was on drugs. I've witnessed a couple of work over doses in the big box hospital I worked at. Both died in the bathroom, one with a needle in her arm. So medical professionals do have drug problems as do many more in society.
I don't how many episodes of mental illness are mistaken for drug use and vice versa. It's a tricky situation. I can't see that having extra resources to deal with mental health episodes is a bad thing. Societies garbage men and women aren't trained to deal with crazy people. Sometimes that's better left to the experts.
Well there will be mental health counselors that will be getting injured. I know may times I had responded to EDP's and everything is fine until it's not. All good. Reap what you sow. Liberalism is truly a disease.
There are two sides to the argument, and both of them have some merit, both of them have some problems.
On the other side, conservatives refuse to fund the needed training for Police to be able to handle these calls. Police rightly don't want to go on a call they are not trained for, because the next thing is that they are in the news for shooting an unarmed person (because they were not trained to ID what was really going on).
Not responding to the calls is no answer, I agree with you on that.
But forcing police to respond to the calls with no training is bad for everyone too. People get killed, police get blamed, and things just get worse.
Maybe the solution lies somewhere in funding the police enough to do their job. Maybe R's can divert some of the corporate wellfare they are so fond of, and direct it toward actually equipping our first responders, our military, our born children and others, so they have a chance.
(I purposely leaned on the "what the right wingers can do" side of things, since you so eloquently covered the entirety of what is wrong with Liberalism...)
Mental health calls are extremely volatile, how would you even know if it’s a tense situation? For example, if an adult schizophrenic son is threatening to kill his mother does a social worker show up to that situation? If so are they expected to intervene if he acts on his impulses? If the mother was to call a mental health worker they would likely have her call the police. What city are you speaking of?
THIS exactly is why Police and Mental Health workers need to be working together. Not just Police, not just MHW's. Calling either side a disease fixes nothing. We need to fund mental healthcare or accept that they will be treated like animals. Police are not trained for this, nor are MHW's.
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