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Old 03-01-2021, 08:58 AM
 
Location: Midwest
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We risk the pollution whether the oil is shipped in rail cars or high pressure pipelines. The kicker is: the crude oil from Canada is shipped through US land for export to China! We take the risk. Are we to be suckers?

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HOUSTON (Reuters) - An Aframax tanker is scheduled to deliver the largest shipment of crude oil from Vancouver to China since January 2015 later this month, Thomson Reuters trade flow data show.
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For years, Canadian officials have pushed for an escalation in crude exports to rapidly growing Asian markets, but companies in oil-rich Alberta have limited capacity to move crude to the nation’s western coastline.
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In another rare Asian transaction earlier this month, the Shenlong Spirit carried 953,000 barrels from Alaska’s Petrostar refinery to China, the first U.S. oil export from Alaska to China since May 2017.
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As U.S. oil companies fear Chinese tariffs on U.S. crude, and as Gulf Coast ports become more efficient at loading Very Large Crude Carriers, known as VLCCs, which can carry roughly 2 million barrels of oil, U.S. exports will “go into more and more markets in Asia,” said Olivier Jakob, head of Petromatrix.
Largest oil shipment sent from Vancouver to China since 2015


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Shipments of Canadian crude from the U.S. Gulf Coast since May have more than doubled all of 2018’s exports as Asian refiners scramble for heavy sour oil, according to vessel-tracking data, traders and industry sources.
Canada's heavy oil exports to Asia from U.S. surge: data, traders
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Old 03-01-2021, 09:14 AM
 
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Yes, as it provides jobs and tax revenue. That revenue would be needed to provide all the free things the Democratic Party wants to give away, such as: free healthcare, college, food, houses, internet, cell phone, cars, televisions, vacations, PlayStation/Xbox, gasoline, electric, water, allowances, and so on, and so on.......

Maybe a thousand temporary jobs to dig for and build the pipeline. I think those workers could serve the US better by repairing and building our roads, bridges, and rails.
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Old 03-01-2021, 09:15 AM
 
Location: NYC
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They don't wanna build more of their own pipelines though Native lands or something?

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Old 03-01-2021, 09:20 AM
 
Location: West Virginia
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Maybe a thousand temporary jobs to dig for and build the pipeline. I think those workers could serve the US better by repairing and building our roads, bridges, and rails.
They are learning to code and making solar panels now. I spoke to Tim Cook and he said there was an astonishing amount of new applications for coding jobs from people with no prior experience. The problem is so simple to fix if you think the right way.
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Old 03-01-2021, 09:20 AM
 
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Canada cannot export to China during the winter months due to water freezing at ports. Hence, they want to ship to a gulf port in Texas to keep the oil flowing to China.

The US was just a sucker caught in the middle though, I am sure, politicians and businessmen were paid well to make the Keystone pipeline happen.
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Old 03-01-2021, 09:24 AM
 
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I think the operative word here is 'temporary'. How long is temporary in this case? The pipeline has been in production for at least a decade. Is temporary another five years? Or ten years? Everything is always relative to the situation.

If memory serves, President Obama signed a stimulus package, in 2009, that was supposed to provide "shovel-ready" jobs to fix roads and bridges. I don't recall the money ever going to what the Democratic Party said it would, except to the Unions who then, in turn, donated it back to the Democratic Party. It was a giant Ponzi-scheme.
The US can provide these construction workers with permanent jobs improving our infrastructure.
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Old 03-01-2021, 09:30 AM
 
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Maybe a thousand temporary jobs to dig for and build the pipeline. I think those workers could serve the US better by repairing and building our roads, bridges, and rails.
Good thing we have had the China virus visited upon us so we can fund those issues through covid relief !!!

??? Don't you think

On the pipeline, IMO, we should have negotiated a percent per barrel payment !!!
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Old 03-01-2021, 09:36 AM
 
Location: Florida
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Canada cannot export to China during the winter months due to water freezing at ports. Hence, they want to ship to a gulf port in Texas to keep the oil flowing to China.

The US was just a sucker caught in the middle though, I am sure, politicians and businessmen were paid well to make the Keystone pipeline happen.
We do it in Alaska, and to your other point, Puget sound doesn't freeze. The reason for moving Canadian oil to the gulf coast is ... 'refineries'.

Any mechanical means of transport will produce leaks and spills... pipe lines, ships, oil rigs, and any vehicle that uses lubricants to function. Yes, vehicles leak more petroleum products than pipe lines.

Give up transportation if leaks are the issue.

Oil must move or we die. One day we may not use oil for fuel, but oil is still gold to civilization. Move it the 'safest' way possible.
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Old 03-01-2021, 09:50 AM
 
Location: Florida
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Yes, projects such as the Keystone Pipeline will need permanent jobs to operate and maintain it.

Construction jobs are ALWAYS temporary, as the project they are working on has an end point.
Pipe line work is VERY different than general construction. Many skills are utilized but most are automated welding and crane work, are the high skilled jobs. Earth moving and material handling are semi skilled jobs.
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Old 03-01-2021, 09:59 AM
 
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They are learning to code and making solar panels now. I spoke to Tim Cook and he said there was an astonishing amount of new applications for coding jobs from people with no prior experience. The problem is so simple to fix if you think the right way.
Learning to be a computer programmer as a second career is a lot harder than it sounds.
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