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Old 04-14-2021, 01:17 PM
 
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Getting police off of murder charges from causing death due to asphyxia seems to be Dr. Fowler's specialty.




https://www.nytimes.com/2021/04/14/u...testimony.html
Dr. Fowler classified Anton Black’s manner of death as accidental.

 
Old 04-14-2021, 01:26 PM
 
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The Hennepin County Medical Examiner who performed the autopsy says heart failure and never lists asphyxia. In fact, during his testimony he says that asphyxiation is impossible from the position Chauvin was in.

This directly contradicts the other witnesses for the state that said asphyxiation(lack of oxygen).
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During his testimony, when asked about the impact of Derek Chauvin’s actions on George Floyd’s breathing, Dr. Baker replied that he could not because he isn’t a pulmonologist. He repeatedly referred Mr. Nelson to ask an expert on the respiratory system.
 
Old 04-14-2021, 01:26 PM
 
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Dr Fowler for the defense has just deferred to Dr Tobin, a pulmonologist, for respiratory physiology.
 
Old 04-14-2021, 01:30 PM
 
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Do you have spirometric evidence that Floyd had COPD? Do you know the diagnostic criteria for COPD?
Excellent question! The autopsy report had no notations indicating the presence of COPD.
Assuming that a smoker has COPD is a fallacy.

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Sections of right and left lung show generally
normal overall architecture, without malignancy,
pneumonia, granulomatous inflammation, or
polarizable intravascular foreign material. Many
small vessels contain rounded clear vacuoles,
consistent with bone marrow embolism from
cardiopulmonary resuscitation.
https://www.hennepin.us/-/media/henn...psy-6-3-20.pdf
 
Old 04-14-2021, 01:36 PM
 
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The reason Dr Fowler is getting destroyed point by point is that he was set-up to offer a kitchen sink of possibilities and insinuations in his direct, many of which are internally inconsistent.

TXRunner wondered why he needed to be internally consistent. This is the reason: he cannot piece together his isolated theories or insinuations into the context of this case. For example, he insinuated Floyd swallowed white pills. On redirect, he had to view the videos of Floyd in the store. He then corrected or clarified his testimony to say he saw a white object in Floyd’s mouth, which was also present in the video footage in the store much earlier. He said he is not testifying Floyd swallowed a pill on redirect.

He also testified that hypoxia is the leading cause of pulseless electrical activity, and that in a substantial number of death by hypoxia, no postmortem findings can be found to point to the cause of hypoxia.
 
Old 04-14-2021, 01:42 PM
 
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Breaking:

The defense’s forensic pathologist Dr Fowler just said Floyd could have been revived when he initially went into cardiac arrest, if immediate medical aid such as bystander CPR were provided. He finds fault, as a physician, that Mr Floyd was NOT provided immediate medical aid when Mr Floyd was pulseless.

This is the defense’s witness.
 
Old 04-14-2021, 01:43 PM
 
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Three minutes, after he's been told Floyd has NO pulse, and Chauvin kept his knee on Floyd's neck and ordered the other officers to stay on top of Floyd. Three minutes. I'm not anti-cop, but this is a fact. And I know that I would not have made the choice that Chauvin made.
And that is going to sink him. Who in their right mind could get past that. He did nothing to help.
 
Old 04-14-2021, 01:44 PM
 
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Excellent question! The autopsy report had no notations indicating the presence of COPD.
Assuming that a smoker has COPD is a fallacy.


https://www.hennepin.us/-/media/henn...psy-6-3-20.pdf
There are individuals here throwing out random medical terms like COPD thinking people are easily confused, when in fact they seem to be the ones who are confused.
 
Old 04-14-2021, 01:44 PM
 
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Of course, This is where my issue is. Continue to excuse and condone the behavior of Floyd types and expect perfection from everyone else as if they are robots. People wanting a hanging without considering all the factors and possibilities and that not one of us is perfect. And by not being perfect doesn't mean we don't care. People want a hanging regardless.
Floyd was unable to help himself during those three minutes he was without a pulse.
 
Old 04-14-2021, 01:47 PM
 
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Of course, This is where my issue is. Continue to excuse and condone the behavior of Floyd types and expect perfection from everyone else as if they are robots. People wanting a hanging without considering all the factors and possibilities and that not one of us is perfect. And by not being perfect doesn't mean we don't care. People want a hanging regardless.
9 minutes and 29 seconds.

That's a lot of imperfection. You know, bad behavior which is to be excused as long as it isn't by those Floyd types. (your words not mine) Got it. Loud and clear.

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