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For the life of me, I don’t understand how anyone could spend any amount of time in the Middle East and determine that Iran is the side that we need to be on. They are the problem. If you want to make the case that the Brits made mistakes when they ran the region, and then we made mistakes when we were the major players, that’s fair. I’m talking about a way forward from this point in time since we can’t change the past.
Anyway, Biden has made move after move (not really Biden as I’m certain he is not mentally capable, but his administration) to weaken Saudi Arabia’s position in the region. The newest move is to take out Patriot batteries and the permanently stationed carrier. Ridiculous
I get it, Saudi Arabia isn’t perfect and they did silence a former citizen who was a critic of theirs, Khashoggi, which enraged the left. Some factions of SA were complicit with 9/11 as well.
But I believe that the way forward for peace is to stop the Houthis from projecting violence over their border into Saudi Arabia (the Houthis, another favorite of the left, which makes no sense to me), and then continue to stay tough on Iran.
It’s as if Biden is trying to destabilize the region. All that peace in the region that broke out during the Trump administration is about to be lost if we continue down this path of befriending and enabling Iran.
In fact, if my main goal was to destabilize the region, I’d embolden Iran and then sit back and watch it all go up in flames. Basically, exactly what Biden is doing.
Well, I’m sure that the Russians will be more than willing to sell the Saudis their air defense system... It’s not as good as ours, but it’s better than nothing. Plus, it would move Saudi Arabia closer into their, the Russians, sphere of influence.
But, I’m sure the Saudis will wait Biden out.
Whoever is in control in Washington, which Biden isn’t, this and other acts like this will most likely push the Saudis to “buy” their own nuclear weapons... BEFORE anybody says anything as stupid as “You just can’t buy a nuclear missile at Walmart... That’s nonsense!!” North Korea is cash and oil hungry... I’m sure the Saudis would make them an offer they couldn’t refuse for 3-4 of their 30-40 nukes.
Saudi Arabia should demonstrate its good will to the US by returning the dozens of Saudi citizens who are charged with crimes in the US who fled back to their home.
According to a newly released and declassified eight-page memo from the FBI, the government of Saudi Arabia "almost certainly" helps its citizens accused of serious crimes flee from the United States.
Earlier this year, the FBI said the Saudi government "undermines the U.S. judicial process" by assisting with the escape of citizens accused of offenses ranging from traffic violations to more serious felonies like "rape, child pornography, and manslaughter."
The Saudis, the Israelis are an example of the tail wagging the dog - in this case US policy and good for Biden for putting American interests first.
Under President Trump our nation did not get involved in war and we became energy independent.
Under President Trump tax cuts for Americans who can handle their own money better than the Federal government.
Under Biden trillions of dollars in relief in greater Blue states while delivering illegals to Red States.
Under Biden taxes have begun to rise which can be seen immediately at the grocery stores.
Under Biden trillions released to ( social ) infrastructure meaning verry little for bridges roads
and highways across our nation while morse going towards green energy like solar ,wind ....etc.
Under Biden this huge loan will have to be repaid or the country will go
into a great depression and the Democratic Party will lose its power.
Creating conflict over seas in Saudi Arabia where Americans are
drawn into war as rescuers and reap the financial rewards is a possibility
that I can not dismiss.
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For the life of me, I don’t understand how anyone could spend any amount of time in the Middle East and determine that Iran is the side that we need to be on. They are the problem. If you want to make the case that the Brits made mistakes when they ran the region, and then we made mistakes when we were the major players, that’s fair. I’m talking about a way forward from this point in time since we can’t change the past.
Anyway, Biden has made move after move (not really Biden as I’m certain he is not mentally capable, but his administration) to weaken Saudi Arabia’s position in the region. The newest move is to take out Patriot batteries and the permanently stationed carrier. Ridiculous
I get it, Saudi Arabia isn’t perfect and they did silence a former citizen who was a critic of theirs, Khashoggi, which enraged the left. Some factions of SA were complicit with 9/11 as well.
But I believe that the way forward for peace is to stop the Houthis from projecting violence over their border into Saudi Arabia (the Houthis, another favorite of the left, which makes no sense to me), and then continue to stay tough on Iran.
It’s as if Biden is trying to destabilize the region. All that peace in the region that broke out during the Trump administration is about to be lost if we continue down this path of befriending and enabling Iran.
In fact, if my main goal was to destabilize the region, I’d embolden Iran and then sit back and watch it all go up in flames. Basically, exactly what Biden is doing.
The murder/dismemberment of someone for merely criticizing a government should enrage anyone with a hint of humanity in their being. If it didn't enrage the right as you imply it's merely testament to the emptiness of the right's collective soul.
Biden has been on the wrong side of so many bills, policies and schemes for near 50 years so why would he change now?
This is all part of the big plan to dismantle and take down America.
In a few short months Biden has taken us from energy independence to energy dependence on the ME. Biden and Kerry are so excited to enter that Iran nuke deal again even after Iran ignored most of it as anyone with a brain knew they would.
The Biden Bunch is poised to get us back into the wars of the ME while here at home they flood the country with "migrants" and create deep divisions of race while spending trillions that we do not have on their pet progressive projects.
SA is the cradle and crucible of Islamic extremism that is exported to the world. They are money behind everything from 9/11 to ISIS. It is a diplomatic tragedy that decades of oppression by the British and then a US backed dictator has resulted in so much animosity between the US and Iran. Iran is the most civilized, educated country in the region next to Israel. It will be difficult, but the US and Iran should at least be trying to normalize relations between our countries. As for SA, they need to stop nurturing, training and funding terrorists and come into the 21st century.
The murder/dismemberment of someone for merely criticizing a government should enrage anyone with a hint of humanity in their being. If it didn't enrage the right as you imply it's merely testament to the emptiness of the right's collective soul.
The act in and of itself is an outrage. But in the big scheme of things, I don’t really care too much about a Saudi citizen criticizing the royal family to the point that they executed him.
I’m altruistic on this event. The only thing stopping Saudi Arabia from becoming a hardline Wahhabist state is the royal family staying in complete control of the country. The alternative to MBS is much, much worse, and that’s what Kahshoggi was pushing.
I do find it funny that leftists are outraged about Kashoggi, but couldn’t care in the least about the thousands of black on black murders right here in the US.
SA is the cradle and crucible of Islamic extremism that is exported to the world. They are money behind everything from 9/11 to ISIS. It is a diplomatic tragedy that decades of oppression by the British and then a US backed dictator has resulted in so much animosity between the US and Iran. Iran is the most civilized, educated country in the region next to Israel. It will be difficult, but the US and Iran should at least be trying to normalize relations between our countries. As for SA, they need to stop nurturing, training and funding terrorists and come into the 21st century.
I seriously hope you don’t believe that nonsense. Iran is the number one state sponsor of terrorism in the world, and it’s not even close.
The Wahabbists who oppose the Saudi royal family are the ones who funded 9/11 for the most part. Saudi Arabia is similar to us, they have factions of their society who oppose the leadership just like we did under Trump, and now reversed under Biden.
Iran needs to completely halt their nuclear program, allow US and Israeli inspectors into the country to verify, and then we can begin to discuss how they will stop funding the Houthis, Hezbollah, Syrian and Iraq militias, and everybody else around the world. Once state sponsored terrorism stops, along with their nuclear program being shut down, then we can begin normalization.
But what I see happening is the globalists in Europe, along with the Democrats in the US, want normalization in Iran right now without any conditions. That’s gonna cause a major war at some point, which might be their plan all along. I want peace in the region, not war.
Biden has ordered the Pentagon to start removing Patriot anti-missile systems, other military hardware, and forces from the Persian Gulf region and could deploy them elsewhere to focus on “leading global competitors, including China and Russia” ...
... the US has removed at least three Patriot antimissile batteries from the Gulf region, including one from Prince Sultan Air Base in Saudi Arabia, that had been put in place in recent years to help protect American forces.
“Some capabilities, including an aircraft carrier and surveillance systems, are being diverted from the Middle East to answer military needs elsewhere around the globe,”
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