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Old 05-01-2021, 07:57 PM
 
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Sad to say, but this exact sentiment might be said of White people in the future because large perecentages of us are over-medicating and under-reproducing ourselves into extinction.

There are almost no groups that commit suicide more and have less babies than American White people.
The Black population has been 13% for like four decades now and won't change anytime soon and Hispanic immigration has slowed down in the past decade despite news headlines saying otherwise.

There's literally zero chance of a White "extinction" happening in the next 100 years in the U.S. Never minding that "White" is a contrived term to begin with and many Hispanics and Arabs are considered "White" in the census.
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Old 05-01-2021, 09:07 PM
 
Location: Midwest City, Oklahoma
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The Black population has been 13% for like four decades now and won't change anytime soon and Hispanic immigration has slowed down in the past decade despite news headlines saying otherwise.

There's literally zero chance of a White "extinction" happening in the next 100 years in the U.S. Never minding that "White" is a contrived term to begin with and many Hispanics and Arabs are considered "White" in the census.
1) The white population has declined from almost 90%, down to 60% in the last 50 years. The black population has increased from about 11% to a little over 13%. In 1970, whites outnumbered blacks about 8 to 1. In 2020, whites outnumber blacks about 4.5 to 1. Which means the black population relative to the white population has nearly doubled since 1970.

https://www.census.gov/content/dam/C...P-twps0056.pdf

2) Africa is projected to grow to more than 4 billion people in the next 100 years. In comparison, Europe is projected to shrink, and the white population of the United States is projected to decline to about 30% by 2100.

https://www.pewresearch.org/wp-conte...resize=640,434

3) Almost all of America's population growth over the next 100 years will be from immigration. The white population will fall both as a percentage, and in absolute numbers. While all other populations will more than double.

https://www.pewresearch.org/hispanic...ons-2005-2050/

4) As you said, white is somewhat an arbitrary concept. We all know what we mean when we say it, but white will eventually become something like black. The average black person in the United States is about 25% white. Many so-called black people are 50%, 75%, or 90% white. The average Hispanic in the United States is about 65% white.

I don't know if it'll be an "extinction", but I doubt very many of the 30% of "whites" that still exist by 2100 will be anywhere near 100% European. Same thing happened to the Native-Americans. They still exist, but none of them are pure-bred. It's a bunch of white people larping as Natives to get government benefits.

5) As the white percentage falls, the amount of miscegenation will increase. When whites were 90% of the population, they often lived in communities that were nearly 100% white. So if a white person dated someone at random in their social group, they would have chosen a white person nearly 100% of the time. The government has made strong efforts since the 70's to integrate the races in schools, workplaces, neighborhoods, bars, clubs, etc. As the white population continues to fall, the majority of their social groups will increasingly be non-white. Asians and Native-Americans have extremely high rates of miscegenation because they are always vastly outnumbered by other groups pretty much everywhere they go.

6) At some point in the future, the very idea of race would become kind of an absurdity because the whole world will be completely mixed to the point that everyone will be brown. Based on the earlier link, that final mix will be mostly Asian and African. The total white admixture of this final human will be about 5-10%.

In any case, white people will cease to exist, much like what happened to Native-Americans. Although in a way every race will cease to exist. The Chinese are amalgamating with other races. They're letting in foreigners, lots of them are moving to America, Canada, Australia, and Europe. There are many even going into Africa and the Middle-East. China has basically bought Africa at this point. And as China gets richer, you'll see more immigrants moving there from poorer countries.

https://www.scmp.com/magazines/post-...t-be-til-death

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Old 05-01-2021, 09:16 PM
 
Location: SE Asia
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Well, that's a cute why of disavowing any responsibility.

I wonder if you're seen the footage of the police pointing a gun at Caron Nazario. How exactly would you have advised him to take responsibility? Or are you happy with the solution of suing the police, which will be paid for by taxpayers?

And do you say the same things to the Capitol rioters, that they should stop blaming Dems? Did you believe that Trump should have stopped blaming everyone else?
1. Hire black cops to police black communities.

2.Capital Rioters, (the ones who were arrested) are being held accountable. Trump should have stopped blaming everyone, but then again he was using Obama's playbook of blame everyone else and deflect whenever possible.

There is a huge difference. Some whites might make excuses for the DC rioters. Some, not the majority, not even close.

Democrats as a party have made excuses for the racist BLM thugs and the damage they do. They make excuses for Blacks attacking Asians. They make excuses for blacks killing blacks.

Let a white mass shooter kill a handful of people and the left want to punish all gun owners for by passing laws that infringe upon all of our rights. A black gang shoots up a Chicago neighborhood on Labor Day and we get, "Thats just gang violence."

In short most conservative whites do not make excuses for white criminals. White guy is shot by the police while resisting arrest? WE tend to say, "Dumbass should have complied." White person is shot by the police while committing a crime? We say, "Oh well, crime is a dangerous business." The majority of us dont make excuses for the thug.
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Old 05-01-2021, 09:37 PM
 
Location: Free State of Florida
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Black people need to take responsibility for their own lives and communities and stop blaming others.
I don't really see where race is applicable. Each individual should take responsibility for their own lives and stop relying on others to accommodate their failures, fears, shortcomings, etc. No need to bring race into the discussion.
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Old 05-02-2021, 03:24 AM
 
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Sad to say, but this exact sentiment might be said of White people in the future because large perecentages of us are over-medicating and under-reproducing ourselves into extinction.

There are almost no groups that commit suicide more and have less babies than American White people.
Black people are steadily gaining ground on that. The White suicide rate is concentrated mainly among men 45 and old, and is especially prevalent in places where the working class has predominated. Younger White people aren't as likely to commit suicide. Black suicide rates are growing faster than any other group these days, particularly among Black YOUTHS. And the factor that the Black birth rate is also dropping, and Blacks have a lower life expectancy than anyone else in America (despite it rising), and a higher death rate than anyone else (everything from murder to heart disease).
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Old 05-02-2021, 08:31 AM
 
Location: Midwest City, Oklahoma
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Black people are steadily gaining ground on that. The White suicide rate is concentrated mainly among men 45 and old, and is especially prevalent in places where the working class has predominated. Younger White people aren't as likely to commit suicide. Black suicide rates are growing faster than any other group these days, particularly among Black YOUTHS. And the factor that the Black birth rate is also dropping, and Blacks have a lower life expectancy than anyone else in America (despite it rising), and a higher death rate than anyone else (everything from murder to heart disease).
According to this sheet for 1997 and 2017, suicide rates for each group and their increase is as follows...

https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/hestat..._1999_2017.pdf

Females
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Native = 4.6 > 11 = 239% increase
White 4.7 > 7.9 = 68% increase
Black 1.7 > 2.8 = 64.7% increase
Hispanic = 1.9 > 2.6 = 37% increase
Asian = 3.4 > 3.9 = 14.7% increase

Males
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Native = 19.8 > 33.8 = 70.7% increase
White 20.2 > 28.2 = 39.6% increase
Black 10.5 > 11.4 = 8.5% increase
Hispanic = 10.3 > 11.2 = 8.7% increase
Asian = 9.0 > 9.9 = 10% increase

For ages I'm going to restrict it to only black/white...

Females
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White Female 15-24... 3.4 > 6.4 = 88%
Black Female 15-24... 2.0 > 4.5 = 125%
White Female 25-44... 6.8 > 10.4 = 53%
Black Female 25-44... 2.5 > 4.3 = 72%
White Female 45-64... 7.0 > 12.8 = 83%
Black Female 45-64... 1.9 > 2.7 > 42%

Males
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White Male 15-24... 19.2 > 27.2 = 42%
Black Male 15-24... 14.8 > 16.8 = 14%
White Male 25-44... 25.2 > 35.9 = 42%
Black Male 25-44... 15.5 > 18.2 = 17%
White Male 45-64... 23.4 > 38.2 = 63%
Black Male 45-64... 9.8 > 10.6 = 8%


In conclusion... The white suicide rate has increased both proportionately and absolutely since 1997 for both women and men relative to blacks. The gap for men has absolutely exploded. In 1997 white men were about 2x as likely to kill themselves as black men. In 2017 white men are nearly 3x more likely to kill themselves.

The only white/black gap that has narrowed is for black women 15-24 and 25-44. Where white women kill themselves only 1.4x and 2.4x more often respectively. Compared to 1.7x and 2.7x in 1997.

As for white male suicide rate being concentrated among 45-64. Suicide rates are 27.2, 35.9, and 38.2 for the 15-24, 25-44, and 45-64 age groups. Suicide rates are up significantly for white men in all age groups. The black male suicide rate has barely changed in 20 years.

The reason the absolute number of suicides has been increasing among older white men, is that the average age of white men has been increasing. So for instance, the total number of suicides by white men ages 25-44 and 45-64 are 8,912 and 10,734. While for ages 14-25 it is only 3,328.

If the rate for 45-64 is 38.2 with 10,734 suicides. Then the 15-24 at 27.2 with an equivalent population size should be 7,643. So what this tells us is that there are about 2.3x as many white men ages 45-64 than there are white men 15-24.

That last bit was probably the most depressing thing I've read in a while. But I guess I already knew it.

https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tan...ethnic-groups/

I mean, imagine being Native-American, with their insane suicide rates. I guess that is what happens when you live in a dying and broken community that has been colonized by foreigners.

I increasingly understand that feeling.

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Old 05-02-2021, 08:35 AM
 
Location: East Coast of the United States
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I don't really see where race is applicable. Each individual should take responsibility for their own lives and stop relying on others to accommodate their failures, fears, shortcomings, etc. No need to bring race into the discussion.
But we know that is never going to happen, and race will always be brought back into the equation.

Race and inequality is an enduring condition of society.
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Old 05-02-2021, 08:37 AM
 
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No problem with welfare, but it should be no more than 5 years at the most, and not a single so-called refugee or migrant of any kind should get one cent of it.



In America, yes. I can't tell you how many white male friends I have that never had children and don't intend on it...and sitll more at work who don't have them, and don't intend on it.


I still have a sliver of hope for them in Europe, but they are slowly poisoning their cultures there as well. Need more Viktor Orbans to spring up in some more Northern European nations.

Nope 0 welfare for anybody or any corporation. Time to take the needle out of America's vain and put america back to work again.


MAWA
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Old 05-02-2021, 09:00 AM
 
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you can say that about fat people, ugly people, poor people, uneducated, gays and anybody that felt wronged in life.

You contradict yourself, you say reparations is not to "fix" for the wrongs of dead people while punishing the living but to "acknowledge" the wrongs and provide "support" (tax money for 1 group and go along with identity politics) and create a victim class. No thank you. That is exactly you are trying to do and you want to play with words.
We have given to black people enough from government aid, affirmative action and preference over other races in education and government jobs and still your side says is not enough. This is not going to stop because they will demand more and more and create an entitlement class based on color on the back of other Americans based on skin.

We already acknowledge that parts of history that are not the standards we want presently and changed the system. The people who ran that system in the past are dead. So it should end with their deaths not punish generations of living people that have nothing to do with them. You are opening a Pandora's box that can't be shut down later that will destroy this country. You want one side to hate the other and divide this country by race to new level lows. This is the left treating black people like inferior and useless and hate Whites.
Sorry, not sorry to burst your alternative facts bubble. But white women are the biggest beneficiaries of affirmative action and welfare. For some (likely racist) reason, black people are being blamed for taking jobs away from "more deserving" white people but its just not true.

Secondly, you say the people who ran the system of the past are dead? So you think nobody who works in gov't or in any position of power is racist? What a lovely world you live in. Look up the USDA (federal agency) and black farmers. In this century, black farmers were discriminated against so horribly many of them lost their farms and livelihoods. June Provost's story is not a one off. It was systemic racism.

Look up the mortality rates of black and brown women during childbirth, in this century. They are 2 to 3 times more likely to die than white women...and that number has nothing to do with how much the woman makes. It is systemic racism.

Racial profiling is still happening. We all know the war on drugs disproportionately affects black people even though there has never been any evidence to suggest black people are involved with drugs (buying or selling) at higher rates than white people. Yet blacks are almost 3 times more likely to be arrested for drug offenses. This is systemic and institutionalized racism.

Blacks who were legally prevented from purchasing homes by the Federal Housing Administration(FHA) in the 40s, 50s and well into the 1960s never saw the equity growth that comes with homeownership. Equity growth that they could have been passed on to their children and grandchildren. If you don't think there is a correlation between that and the black homeownership levels today... then you really are just lost. Racist zoning laws that are still on the books are also a problem. When there is language in deeds that say explicitly that people of certain races are not allowed to own certain homes that is the epitome of systemic racism. Those housing covenants were outlawed eventually....but the damage (housing segregation) has been done and still continues today.

This country has a lot to pay for. Not just related to the horrors of slavery. But all of the other things throughout the decades that the gov't and institutions (with tacit approval from the gov't) have done to actively and systematically prevent black people from thriving in this country.
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Old 05-02-2021, 10:24 AM
 
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According to this sheet for 1997 and 2017, suicide rates for each group and their increase is as follows...

https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/hestat..._1999_2017.pdf

Females
---------
Native = 4.6 > 11 = 239% increase
White 4.7 > 7.9 = 68% increase
Black 1.7 > 2.8 = 64.7% increase
Hispanic = 1.9 > 2.6 = 37% increase
Asian = 3.4 > 3.9 = 14.7% increase

Males
------
Native = 19.8 > 33.8 = 70.7% increase
White 20.2 > 28.2 = 39.6% increase
Black 10.5 > 11.4 = 8.5% increase
Hispanic = 10.3 > 11.2 = 8.7% increase
Asian = 9.0 > 9.9 = 10% increase

For ages I'm going to restrict it to only black/white...

Females
---------
White Female 15-24... 3.4 > 6.4 = 88%
Black Female 15-24... 2.0 > 4.5 = 125%
White Female 25-44... 6.8 > 10.4 = 53%
Black Female 25-44... 2.5 > 4.3 = 72%
White Female 45-64... 7.0 > 12.8 = 83%
Black Female 45-64... 1.9 > 2.7 > 42%

Males
------
White Male 15-24... 19.2 > 27.2 = 42%
Black Male 15-24... 14.8 > 16.8 = 14%
White Male 25-44... 25.2 > 35.9 = 42%
Black Male 25-44... 15.5 > 18.2 = 17%
White Male 45-64... 23.4 > 38.2 = 63%
Black Male 45-64... 9.8 > 10.6 = 8%


In conclusion... The white suicide rate has increased both proportionately and absolutely since 1997 for both women and men relative to blacks. The gap for men has absolutely exploded. In 1997 white men were about 2x as likely to kill themselves as black men. In 2017 white men are nearly 3x more likely to kill themselves.

The only white/black gap that has narrowed is for black women 15-24 and 25-44. Where white women kill themselves only 1.4x and 2.4x more often respectively. Compared to 1.7x and 2.7x in 1997.

As for white male suicide rate being concentrated among 45-64. Suicide rates are 27.2, 35.9, and 38.2 for the 15-24, 25-44, and 45-64 age groups. Suicide rates are up significantly for white men in all age groups. The black male suicide rate has barely changed in 20 years.

The reason the absolute number of suicides has been increasing among older white men, is that the average age of white men has been increasing. So for instance, the total number of suicides by white men ages 25-44 and 45-64 are 8,912 and 10,734. While for ages 14-25 it is only 3,328.

If the rate for 45-64 is 38.2 with 10,734 suicides. Then the 15-24 at 27.2 with an equivalent population size should be 7,643. So what this tells us is that there are about 2.3x as many white men ages 45-64 than there are white men 15-24.

That last bit was probably the most depressing thing I've read in a while. But I guess I already knew it.

https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tan...ethnic-groups/

I mean, imagine being Native-American, with their insane suicide rates. I guess that is what happens when you live in a dying and broken community that has been colonized by foreigners.

I increasingly understand that feeling.
I said the fastest growing, and here is where I got the information. https://www.nbcnews.com/news/nbcblk/...finds-n1103956
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